RE: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi

  • From: Wynand-Ben <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 13:31:44 +0000

When cost to produce games increased exponentially but game prices stay 
essentially the same for over a decade...  people start getting creative :P

In short

Money happened

> Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 15:23:13 +0200
> Subject: Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
> From: gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx
> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> 
> What ever happened to just releasing a game?
> 
> On 05/02/2014, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Hahaha
> >
> > On 05/02/2014, Donaldson, Alasdair <alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> I understand that it's not a full game. I'm sure USD30 is a real bargain
> >> for
> >> a 5min speedrun game.
> >>
> >> Maybe if you pre-order it you get a free picture of Kojima pulling the
> >> story
> >> out of his ass.
> >>
> >> From: cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> >> On
> >> Behalf Of Wynand-Ben
> >> Sent: 05 February 2014 3:10 PM
> >> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: RE: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
> >>
> >> Well wasnt going to be a "big" demo from the start?
> >>
> >> Kinda like the ship segment from MGS2.   Cant remember it ever being
> >> advertised as a proper game.
> >>
> >>
> >> Thats how I understood it from the start...
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Subject: RE: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
> >> Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 13:04:32 +0000
> >> Lol, 5min for a speedrun. No doubt 4 of those 5 minutes are spend hiding.
> >>
> >> Two hours of game, with 5minutes of actual gameplay. Yup, sounds like
> >> MGS...
> >> Hopefully they will have a heavy pseudo-intellectual storyline to go
> >> along
> >> with it.
> >>
> >> From: cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ilitirit Sama
> >> Sent: 05 February 2014 2:50 PM
> >> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Subject: Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
> >>
> >> Disappointment of the week
> >>
> >> http://metro.co.uk/2014/02/05/metal-gear-solid-v-ground-zeroes-is-only-2-hours-long-4291338/
> >>
> >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Ilitirit Sama
> >> <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> >> Wow, someone released the Art of Fighting source code (without assets, of
> >> course)
> >>
> >> https://app.box.com/s/5on2e593tqt2c8ketc68
> >>
> >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Ilitirit Sama
> >> <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> >> Watched it live.  It will be on their YouTube channel in the next day or
> >> so.
> >>
> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9yHaajDKNc
> >>
> >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Sean Carrington
> >> <theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> >> Link -_-
> >>
> >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:19 PM, Ilitirit Sama
> >> <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> >> Did anyone watch Infiltration vs Tokido?  Highest level of Akuma play
> >> I've
> >> seen.  SFIV is relatively slow but it's so demanding on fast reactions
> >> and
> >> situational awareness.  In one situation Tokido did a combo into reset
> >> and
> >> which he knew would trade if Infiltration did a DP.  He did this because
> >> he
> >> was calculating the stun values in his head.  Infiltration went for the
> >> DP,
> >> it traded and Tokido got the dizzy.  So pro.
> >>
> >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair
> >> <alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>>
> >> wrote:
> >> Sounds like he was having a pretty horrible nightmare.
> >>
> >> From: cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]
> >> On Behalf Of Ilitirit Sama
> >> Sent: 05 February 2014 1:11 PM
> >> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>
> >> Subject: Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
> >>
> >> Go back to sleep.
> >>
> >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Sean Carrington
> >> <theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> >> Did someone say SFxT ?
> >>
> >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:04 PM, G B
> >> <sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> >> Gamernet House, 45 Salisbury Road, Cape Town, ZA
> >>
> >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Jack Steel
> >> <orichih@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:orichih@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> >> Let me know were as it is my 1st time
> >>
> >> On 2/5/14, Jack Steel <orichih@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:orichih@xxxxxxxxx>>
> >> wrote:
> >>> Reason y i have xbox and ps3 was 4 kof 13 but i did not get copy i had
> >>> sfxt found 1 sa player further no1.that's y i was gears of war player
> >>> now im stuck on ggpo 4 competition toying around.
> >>>
> >>> On 2/5/14, Jack Steel <orichih@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:orichih@xxxxxxxxx>>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> Im gonna start of slow c im new 2 group im sa and friendly .i had a
> >>>> copy of kof 12 but i need a copy of kof 13 i got xbox and ps3 and will
> >>>> soon upgrade graphic card 4 pc. To cover most platforms c what games r
> >>>> famous 2 play.train.and thn c  it sound interesting.ill try 2 come 2
> >>>> belville 2 get use 2 the flow.
> >>>>
> >>>> On 2/5/14, Ilitirit Sama
> >>>> <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>> I remember playing you on GGPO.  My user name is ilitirit but I don't
> >>>>> play
> >>>>> on there any more cos my GGPO doesn't work.  We play on SupArc now.
> >>>>> It's
> >>>>> like GGPO but you can play against 3 people in a lobby if you want to.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Are you going to come to the Saturday sessions in Bellville?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 11:09 AM, Jack Steel
> >>>>> <orichih@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:orichih@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> My ggpo user is goku1up- and finalfighter i smashed many ggpo kof
> >>>>>> 2002
> >>>>>> players avk team sa and other locals they tried all cheats 2 no
> >>>>>> profit
> >>>>>> i hope to get smashed in kof13 and other platforms.smash or b
> >>>>>> smashed"d.^_^;)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 2/3/14, Nicholas Robertson-Muir
> >>>>>> <nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> >>>>>> > I wonder if they would have done the same if it was me?
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> > Or would they be all like... call the hospital, this man is about
> >>>>>> > to
> >>>>>> have a
> >>>>>> > heart-attack.
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> > On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Sean Carrington
> >>>>>> > <theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>> >> wrote:
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> >> I think I'm troubled.
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >> I might have cursed one too many times at the GM of Telkom
> >>>>>> >> Claremont.
> >>>>>> >> I was escorted out of the mall by security... *facepalm*.
> >>>>>> >> On 03 Feb 2014 4:02 PM, "G B"
> >>>>>> >> <sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >>> "subjective prices" - I mean that they are priced subjectively...
> >>>>>> >>> See
> >>>>>> >>> DeBont and Thaler (1985)'s classic overreaction hypothesis, or
> >>>>>> >>> google
> >>>>>> >>> anything on herding, as a basic yet 'oh so' applicable example.
> >>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>> >>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 3:52 PM, G B
> >>>>>> >>> <sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> >>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>> >>>> Never heard of Peter Stone. Can you send me the title of the
> >>>>>> >>>> article
> >>>>>> or
> >>>>>> >>>> the pdf? I'd love to read it.
> >>>>>> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> The reason why its frequently mentioned/used within the Hedge
> >>>>>> >>>> Fund
> >>>>>> >>>> industry is due to how rapidly HFs change, as can be seen in the
> >>>>>> >>>> quant
> >>>>>> >>>> meltdown of 2007 (In three days, you could've made R1 turn into
> >>>>>> >>>> R500,
> >>>>>> >>>> if
> >>>>>> >>>> you were at the right place at the right time). Testing for
> >>>>>> >>>> adaption
> >>>>>> >>>> here
> >>>>>> >>>> is extremely interesting, and saves you years of work. HFs is
> >>>>>> >>>> also
> >>>>>> >>>> the
> >>>>>> >>>> canary in the coal mine in world of finance.
> >>>>>> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> You are spot on with the over-fitting issue. :-) I corrected
> >>>>>> >>>> this
> >>>>>> >>>> when
> >>>>>> >>>> I
> >>>>>> >>>> implemented mine. When using fundamental analysis, they'd
> >>>>>> >>>> implement
> >>>>>> >>>> like,
> >>>>>> >>>> 15 different fundamental metrics, of which maybe 4 or 5 have any
> >>>>>> >>>> statical
> >>>>>> >>>> significance. In fact, certain researchers went to the extent of
> >>>>>> running
> >>>>>> >>>> a
> >>>>>> >>>> GA to select the variables for "best-fit" first... which is akin
> >>>>>> >>>> to
> >>>>>> >>>> data-mining in the sense that they are finding the best
> >>>>>> >>>> variables
> >>>>>> >>>> that
> >>>>>> >>>> fit
> >>>>>> >>>> with the given data BEFORE running the algorithm.
> >>>>>> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> And yes, the evolutionary algorithm is trained using a data-base
> >>>>>> first,
> >>>>>> >>>> before it goes live. Typically, the GA selects the variables and
> >>>>>> >>>> the
> >>>>>> ANN
> >>>>>> >>>> is
> >>>>>> >>>> what does all the decision making. Having the computer decide
> >>>>>> >>>> what
> >>>>>> >>>> it
> >>>>>> >>>> should do for both is unwise, or at least, I think so.
> >>>>>> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> Like I said, you put garbage in, you going to get garbage out,
> >>>>>> >>>> that
> >>>>>> >>>> is
> >>>>>> >>>> how it works with these black box machines, so yeah, people have
> >>>>>> >>>> used
> >>>>>> >>>> GA's
> >>>>>> >>>> before, but like we both mentioned, how you program it and I
> >>>>>> >>>> would
> >>>>>> >>>> is
> >>>>>> >>>> totally different, which means it would learn differently, just
> >>>>>> >>>> as
> >>>>>> >>>> we
> >>>>>> >>>> do.
> >>>>>> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> You also mentioned "Buy-Low/Sell-High" when there are economic
> >>>>>> >>>> shocks,
> >>>>>> >>>> which is a great strategy, sure, but stock prices will adjust
> >>>>>> >>>> accordingly
> >>>>>> >>>> anyway, so while they may be cheaper than usual, they won't
> >>>>>> necessarily
> >>>>>> >>>> be
> >>>>>> >>>> mispriced, which is what I'm interested in. I can't always wait
> >>>>>> >>>> for
> >>>>>> >>>> some
> >>>>>> >>>> kind of external economic movement to make money.
> >>>>>> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>>>   As you've said, I don't want to match the market at all, else
> >>>>>> >>>> I'd
> >>>>>> >>>> go
> >>>>>> >>>> passive. Stocks are priced at the value that the market values
> >>>>>> >>>> it
> >>>>>> >>>> at
> >>>>>> >>>> and
> >>>>>> >>>> those are often subjective prices, more often than not.If I had
> >>>>>> >>>> a
> >>>>>> basic
> >>>>>> >>>> program to initiate buy/sell commands based on whether a stock
> >>>>>> >>>> falls
> >>>>>> >>>> below/above a certain price and expect it to earn money, I'd be
> >>>>>> >>>> a
> >>>>>> >>>> billionaire by now.
> >>>>>> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Ilitirit Sama
> >>>>>> >>>> <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>>wrote:
> >>>>>> >>>>
> >>>>>> >>>>> @GB
> >>>>>> >>>>>
> >>>>>> >>>>> I did some reading up on using GA against the stock market.  It
> >>>>>> >>>>> seems
> >>>>>> >>>>> some Hedge Funds use them already, but most of these funds are
> >>>>>> already
> >>>>>> >>>>> defunct (probably not because of the use of GAs though).  Was
> >>>>>> >>>>> that
> >>>>>> >>>>> paper
> >>>>>> >>>>> you mentioned by Peter Stone?  It answers a lot of the
> >>>>>> >>>>> questions
> >>>>>> >>>>> I
> >>>>>> had.
> >>>>>> >>>>>  It
> >>>>>> >>>>> seems the evolution of the ANN happens way before the data is
> >>>>>> >>>>> run
> >>>>>> >>>>> on
> >>>>>> >>>>> live
> >>>>>> >>>>> data.  Stock Market GAs also tend to suffer from
> >>>>>> >>>>> "over-fitting",
> >>>>>> which
> >>>>>> >>>>> is
> >>>>>> >>>>> something I also mentioned.  They try to adjust to past
> >>>>>> >>>>> performance
> >>>>>> in
> >>>>>> >>>>> order to generate an expected result.  However, most GAs don't
> >>>>>> >>>>> take
> >>>>>> >>>>> into
> >>>>>> >>>>> account random fluctuations in the result, so they fail
> >>>>>> >>>>> miserably
> >>>>>> when
> >>>>>> >>>>> they
> >>>>>> >>>>> try to derive patterns from the data.  The best they can do is
> >>>>>> >>>>> to
> >>>>>> >>>>> try
> >>>>>> >>>>> to
> >>>>>> >>>>> match the curve, which of course is very bad.
> >>>>>> >>>>>
> >>>>>> >>>>>
> >>>>>> >>>>>
> >>>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Ilitirit Sama
> >>>>>> >>>>> <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>>wrote:
> >>>>>> >>>>>
> >>>>>> >>>>>> He needs to confirm the subscription.  The link should be at
> >>>>>> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>> >>>>>> bottom of any of the admins' messages.  Give me his email
> >>>>>> >>>>>> address.
> >>>>>> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 2:03 PM, lindsey kiviets
> >>>>>> >>>>>> <lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>> >>>>>> > wrote:
> >>>>>> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> >>>>>>> lol,
> >>>>>> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> >>>>>>> @ilitrit , gimme th fgc link again please.i added Hilton
> >>>>>> >>>>>>> myself
> >>>>>> >>>>>>> ,
> >>>>>> >>>>>>> and
> >>>>>> >>>>>>> it seems he is not added to the mails.
> >>>>>> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------
> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 13:59:14 +0200
> >>>>>> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
> >>>>>> >>>>>>> From: ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>> >>>>>>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> >>>>>>> *lol* Guys will just have to put their cellphones where I can
> >>>>>> >>>>>>> see
> >>>>>> >>>>>>> em,
> >>>>>> >>>>>>> or else :P Scumbaggery at it's finest :P
> >>>>>> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm busy editing the vids. Will start uploading soon :)
> >>>>>> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Ashraf Barendse <
> >>>>>> >>>>>>> ashraf.barendse@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ashraf.barendse@xxxxxxxxx>>
> >>>>>> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> >>>>>>> The first rule of Random FG club is...
> >>>>>> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Gohan is a charge character. I know this because LB knows
> >>>>>> >>>>>>> this.
> >>>>>> >>>>>>>
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