Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
- From: G B <sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 15:07:39 +0200
LOL, I really don't know much about fighting games -_-
Come on man, I know all that. Your spacing and stuff is just better than
mine.
but that Ken thing was luck, for sure!
Anyway, it doesn't matter.
On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> If your cr.mk is getting swept all the time then your spacing and
> footsies in general suck. The idea is to do it out of range so that the
> only way the DP will come out is when the opponent walks forward.
>
> To understand why your footsies suck you will also need to understand how
> I read your fireball once at quarter screen distance with Ken then Ultra'd
> through it. You said you couldn't understand how I read that since you
> didn't throw a fireball the entire round. What you don't understand is
> that I made you throw that fireball. It sounds crazy, but it's true, and
> the same concept applies to footsies, except the reactions you try to get
> from your opponent are much more subtle. There's a segment in the
> Infilitration vs Tokido matchup where Infiltration starts walking back and
> forward. The only reason he does it is to get Tokido to do the same
> thing. As soon as Tokido does it, he walks forward and sweeps him. I'll
> post the clip later if I can find it.
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 1:31 PM, G B <sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Meh, the cr.mk thing was cool but it just gets swept all the time or
>> something like that. Too risky on block too, dp is really unsafe. I'd
>> rather toss out the st.hk than the cr.mk, because you can't really focus
>> it, unless I'm really close or the focus attack is really good (Dudley), so
>> its mindless poking.
>>
>> Thats why I do it twice or more, without even thinking, because if you
>> focus and release, you focus will whiff and I'll kick you again for x2
>> st.hk dmg. If it hits, most people actually advance or just don't
>> realise how fast and far-reaching it is, and I get another hit again,
>> sometimes I'll just do it again, just like jumping. After getting sick of
>> eating that, most people jump and then get blown up by cr.hp. Its all I
>> have to do.
>>
>> Then somewhere in between I left the frustration kick in and wait for an
>> opening for some combos and yay, I win.
>>
>> EX Tatsu stuff is really bad though, besides on block, I just do that to
>> advance or have nothing better to do. Unless the spacing is impeccable,
>> using it to beat fireballs is not so great. Sometimes only one of the kicks
>> it and it leave you open or you land somewhere in front. Its a great option
>> but if I could read the fireball, I might as well jump in instead, the
>> outcome is the same anyway.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> Besides the fact that that's a REALLY stupid way of approaching a match,
>>> why don't you have the same approach to footsies?
>>>
>>> "I figure if I always poke, you won't punish me every time"
>>>
>>> cr.mk is a GREAT poke because of the conversion into big damage
>>> (shouken FADC into most boring combo ever). st.hk controls so much
>>> space and is very hard to whiff punish. Plus she also has that retarded
>>> Focus Attack. If I react with tatsu using Ryu, she ducks under it. If I
>>> react with cr.mk xx DP, she hops over it. Such a dumb character...
>>>
>>> If you have trouble getting in on someone like Seth, just walk forward
>>> and block. He doesn't have the ground mobility to keep up in footsies so
>>> he'll either dash forward into shenanigans, do the Electrolux special (you
>>> can react to this), dash back to create space, or jump. If you have
>>> trouble with fireballs, try EX Tatsu instead of jumping.
>>>
>>> vs. Rose slide, just do Focus Attack.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 1:05 PM, G B <sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> You guys make me jump -_-
>>>> If I don't jump and you actually fireball, then I'm like "fuck, I
>>>> should have jumped".
>>>>
>>>> meh, I figure if I always jump, you won't AA every single time, you
>>>> probably going to expect me to change what I'm going to do, sometime. I
>>>> just need to get in once or twice to win with Sakura. One good combo and
>>>> one ex tatsu into U1. :-)
>>>>
>>>> But you guys like Steve,Rod and Salie are too stubborn, or more
>>>> stubborn than I am! "Oh, this is working. Ok, why change? Make me." -_-
>>>> Then I just go in and see what happens :-D
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> And yet you keep jumping in recklessly and getting punished...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 11:55 AM, G B <sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yup, because that move lost me life. Lets never do that again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sap, I'm doing Soul Spiral backdash and slides forever now and going
>>>>>> to win. Rose unfair.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 2:18 AM, Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Either that or I'm doing silly stuff for like 30 matches, which is
>>>>>>> *probably
>>>>>>>> what happened*.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> FTFY.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Told you many times before, you play too conservatively during
>>>>>>> footsies. You get whiff punished once and then you never press that
>>>>>>> button
>>>>>>> again.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 12:43 AM, G B <sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> GG Sap. Please die and burn in hell with Rose.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Seriously, its feels 7-3 to Rose.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Either that or I'm doing silly stuff for like 30 matches, which is
>>>>>>>> impossible.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 11:36 PM, Ryan Williams <
>>>>>>>> ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *lol* Dragonball Z: Hyper Dimension. Check out the matches :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/user/PhoenixSA
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 9:37 PM, Di Lhong <numotd@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> wavedashing? what game is this?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 6:24 PM, Ryan Williams <
>>>>>>>>>> ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Wait until you see the wavedashing *lol*
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I didn't even know that was possible :)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 6:15 PM, Ryan Williams <
>>>>>>>>>>> ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *lol*
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 6:09 PM, Stephen Scheidel <
>>>>>>>>>>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That Lumi combo is so legit !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5 February 2014 18:06, Stephen Scheidel <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks dude !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5 February 2014 16:31, Ryan Williams <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All the DBZ vids are up :) Hope you guys enjoy reliving the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hype *lol*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 4:12 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Reading in the Barb thread and some guy has made a pure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thorns Barb. The point was to see if he could kill opponents
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pressing a single button - combo of thorns + life regen.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He tested the barb against Diablo in MP0. It took half an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hour for Diablo to die, but it worked.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Di Lhong
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* 05 February 2014 3:48 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who needs GTA when you have Goat Simulator!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgTQglGvNUs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://myanimelist.net/anime/10456/Kyoukaisenjou_no_Horizon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some guy on one of my forums recommended it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think I'm going to delete that Unbreakable Machine thing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The complete lack of originality grates.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Wynand-Ben
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* 05 February 2014 3:39 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* RE: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Horizon does not ring a bell...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 13:37:13 +0000
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, since games overtook movies as the biggest media
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> profit area, the situation was bound to change.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Paas, do you have Horizon lying around? I mean the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anime series.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *On Behalf Of *Wynand-Ben
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* 05 February 2014 3:32 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* RE: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When cost to produce games increased exponentially but game
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prices stay essentially the same for over a decade... people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> start getting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> creative :P
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In short
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Money happened
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 15:23:13 +0200
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Subject: Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > From: gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > What ever happened to just releasing a game?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > On 05/02/2014, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Hahaha
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > On 05/02/2014, Donaldson, Alasdair <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> I understand that it's not a full game. I'm sure USD30
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a real bargain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> a 5min speedrun game.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Maybe if you pre-order it you get a free picture of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kojima pulling the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> story
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> out of his ass.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> From: cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> On
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Behalf Of Wynand-Ben
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Sent: 05 February 2014 3:10 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Subject: RE: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Well wasnt going to be a "big" demo from the start?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Kinda like the ship segment from MGS2. Cant remember
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it ever being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> advertised as a proper game.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Thats how I understood it from the start...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> ________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> From:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Subject: RE: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 13:04:32 +0000
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Lol, 5min for a speedrun. No doubt 4 of those 5
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> minutes are spend hiding.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Two hours of game, with 5minutes of actual gameplay.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yup, sounds like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> MGS...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Hopefully they will have a heavy pseudo-intellectual
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> storyline to go
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> along
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> with it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> From:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Ilitirit Sama
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Sent: 05 February 2014 2:50 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Subject: Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Disappointment of the week
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://metro.co.uk/2014/02/05/metal-gear-solid-v-ground-zeroes-is-only-2-hours-long-4291338/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Ilitirit Sama
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Wow, someone released the Art of Fighting source code
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (without assets, of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> course)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> https://app.box.com/s/5on2e593tqt2c8ketc68
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Ilitirit Sama
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Watched it live. It will be on their YouTube channel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the next day or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> so.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9yHaajDKNc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Sean Carrington
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Link -_-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:19 PM, Ilitirit Sama
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Did anyone watch Infiltration vs Tokido? Highest level
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Akuma play
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> I've
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> seen. SFIV is relatively slow but it's so demanding on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fast reactions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> situational awareness. In one situation Tokido did a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> combo into reset
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> which he knew would trade if Infiltration did a DP. He
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did this because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> was calculating the stun values in his head.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Infiltration went for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> DP,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> it traded and Tokido got the dizzy. So pro.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Sounds like he was having a pretty horrible nightmare.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> From:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> [
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx><cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx%3cmailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx%3e>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> On Behalf Of Ilitirit Sama
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Sent: 05 February 2014 1:11 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Subject: Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Go back to sleep.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Sean Carrington
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Did someone say SFxT ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:04 PM, G B
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> <sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Gamernet House, 45 Salisbury Road, Cape Town, ZA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Jack Steel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> <orichih@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:orichih@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Let me know were as it is my 1st time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> On 2/5/14, Jack Steel <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> orichih@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:orichih@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> Reason y i have xbox and ps3 was 4 kof 13 but i did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not get copy i had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> sfxt found 1 sa player further no1.that's y i was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gears of war player
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> now im stuck on ggpo 4 competition toying around.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> On 2/5/14, Jack Steel <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> orichih@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:orichih@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> Im gonna start of slow c im new 2 group im sa and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> friendly .i had a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> copy of kof 12 but i need a copy of kof 13 i got
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> xbox and ps3 and will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> soon upgrade graphic card 4 pc. To cover most
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> platforms c what games r
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> famous 2 play.train.and thn c it sound
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interesting.ill try 2 come 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> belville 2 get use 2 the flow.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> On 2/5/14, Ilitirit Sama
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> I remember playing you on GGPO. My user name is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ilitirit but I don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> play
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> on there any more cos my GGPO doesn't work. We play
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on SupArc now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> It's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> like GGPO but you can play against 3 people in a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lobby if you want to.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> Are you going to come to the Saturday sessions in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bellville?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 11:09 AM, Jack Steel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> <orichih@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:orichih@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> My ggpo user is goku1up- and finalfighter i
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> smashed many ggpo kof
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> 2002
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> players avk team sa and other locals they tried
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all cheats 2 no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> profit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> i hope to get smashed in kof13 and other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> platforms.smash or b
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> smashed"d.^_^;)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> On 2/3/14, Nicholas Robertson-Muir
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> <nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > I wonder if they would have done the same if it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was me?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > Or would they be all like... call the hospital,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this man is about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > heart-attack.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Sean Carrington
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >> I think I'm troubled.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >> I might have cursed one too many times at the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GM of Telkom
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >> Claremont.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >> I was escorted out of the mall by security...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *facepalm*.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >> On 03 Feb 2014 4:02 PM, "G B"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >> <sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>> "subjective prices" - I mean that they are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> priced subjectively...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>> See
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>> DeBont and Thaler (1985)'s classic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overreaction hypothesis, or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>> google
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>> anything on herding, as a basic yet 'oh so'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> applicable example.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 3:52 PM, G B
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>> <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> Never heard of Peter Stone. Can you send me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the title of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> article
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> the pdf? I'd love to read it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> The reason why its frequently mentioned/used
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> within the Hedge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> Fund
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> industry is due to how rapidly HFs change, as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can be seen in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> quant
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> meltdown of 2007 (In three days, you could've
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> made R1 turn into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> R500,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> you were at the right place at the right
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time). Testing for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> adaption
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> here
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> is extremely interesting, and saves you years
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of work. HFs is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> also
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> canary in the coal mine in world of finance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> You are spot on with the over-fitting issue.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :-) I corrected
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> implemented mine. When using fundamental
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> analysis, they'd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> implement
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> like,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> 15 different fundamental metrics, of which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maybe 4 or 5 have any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> statical
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> significance. In fact, certain researchers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> went to the extent of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> running
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> GA to select the variables for "best-fit"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first... which is akin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> data-mining in the sense that they are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> finding the best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> variables
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> fit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> with the given data BEFORE running the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> algorithm.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> And yes, the evolutionary algorithm is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trained using a data-base
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> first,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> before it goes live. Typically, the GA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> selects the variables and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> ANN
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> what does all the decision making. Having the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> computer decide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> should do for both is unwise, or at least, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think so.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> Like I said, you put garbage in, you going to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get garbage out,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> how it works with these black box machines,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so yeah, people have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> used
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> GA's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> before, but like we both mentioned, how you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> program it and I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> totally different, which means it would learn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> differently, just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> You also mentioned "Buy-Low/Sell-High" when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there are economic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> shocks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> which is a great strategy, sure, but stock
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prices will adjust
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> accordingly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> anyway, so while they may be cheaper than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> usual, they won't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> necessarily
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> mispriced, which is what I'm interested in. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't always wait
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> kind of external economic movement to make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> money.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> As you've said, I don't want to match the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> market at all, else
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> I'd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> go
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> passive. Stocks are priced at the value that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the market values
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> those are often subjective prices, more often
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than not.If I had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> basic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> program to initiate buy/sell commands based
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on whether a stock
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> falls
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> below/above a certain price and expect it to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> earn money, I'd be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> billionaire by now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Ilitirit Sama
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> @GB
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> I did some reading up on using GA against
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the stock market. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> seems
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> some Hedge Funds use them already, but most
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of these funds are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> already
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> defunct (probably not because of the use of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GAs though). Was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> paper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> you mentioned by Peter Stone? It answers a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lot of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> questions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> had.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> seems the evolution of the ANN happens way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before the data is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> run
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> live
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> data. Stock Market GAs also tend to suffer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> "over-fitting",
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> something I also mentioned. They try to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adjust to past
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> performance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> order to generate an expected result.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, most GAs don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> take
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> account random fluctuations in the result,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so they fail
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> miserably
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> try to derive patterns from the data. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> best they can do is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> try
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> match the curve, which of course is very bad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Ilitirit Sama
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> He needs to confirm the subscription. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> link should be at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> bottom of any of the admins' messages. Give
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me his email
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> address.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 2:03 PM, lindsey
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kiviets
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> lol,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> @ilitrit , gimme th fgc link again
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> please.i added Hilton
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> myself
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> ,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> it seems he is not added to the mails.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 13:59:14 +0200
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> From:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> To:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> *lol* Guys will just have to put their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cellphones where I can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> see
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> em,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> or else :P Scumbaggery at it's finest :P
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm busy editing the vids. Will start
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> uploading soon :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Ashraf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Barendse <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ashraf.barendse@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ashraf.barendse@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> The first rule of Random FG club is...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> Gohan is a charge character. I know this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because LB knows
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
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