Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi

  • From: Sean Carrington <theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 13:07:58 +0200

Did someone say SFxT ?


On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:04 PM, G B <sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Gamernet House, 45 Salisbury Road, Cape Town, ZA
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> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Jack Steel <orichih@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Let me know were as it is my 1st time
>>
>> On 2/5/14, Jack Steel <orichih@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> > Reason y i have xbox and ps3 was 4 kof 13 but i did not get copy i had
>> > sfxt found 1 sa player further no1.that's y i was gears of war player
>> > now im stuck on ggpo 4 competition toying around.
>> >
>> > On 2/5/14, Jack Steel <orichih@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >> Im gonna start of slow c im new 2 group im sa and friendly .i had a
>> >> copy of kof 12 but i need a copy of kof 13 i got xbox and ps3 and will
>> >> soon upgrade graphic card 4 pc. To cover most platforms c what games r
>> >> famous 2 play.train.and thn c  it sound interesting.ill try 2 come 2
>> >> belville 2 get use 2 the flow.
>> >>
>> >> On 2/5/14, Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >>> I remember playing you on GGPO.  My user name is ilitirit but I don't
>> >>> play
>> >>> on there any more cos my GGPO doesn't work.  We play on SupArc now.
>> >>> It's
>> >>> like GGPO but you can play against 3 people in a lobby if you want to.
>> >>>
>> >>> Are you going to come to the Saturday sessions in Bellville?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 11:09 AM, Jack Steel <orichih@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> My ggpo user is goku1up- and finalfighter i smashed many ggpo kof
>> 2002
>> >>>> players avk team sa and other locals they tried all cheats 2 no
>> profit
>> >>>> i hope to get smashed in kof13 and other platforms.smash or b
>> >>>> smashed"d.^_^;)
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On 2/3/14, Nicholas Robertson-Muir <nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >>>> > I wonder if they would have done the same if it was me?
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Or would they be all like... call the hospital, this man is about
>> to
>> >>>> have a
>> >>>> > heart-attack.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Sean Carrington
>> >>>> > <theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx
>> >>>> >> wrote:
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >> I think I'm troubled.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> I might have cursed one too many times at the GM of Telkom
>> >>>> >> Claremont.
>> >>>> >> I was escorted out of the mall by security... *facepalm*.
>> >>>> >> On 03 Feb 2014 4:02 PM, "G B" <sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>> "subjective prices" - I mean that they are priced subjectively...
>> >>>> >>> See
>> >>>> >>> DeBont and Thaler (1985)'s classic overreaction hypothesis, or
>> >>>> >>> google
>> >>>> >>> anything on herding, as a basic yet 'oh so' applicable example.
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 3:52 PM, G B <sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>> Never heard of Peter Stone. Can you send me the title of the
>> >>>> >>>> article
>> >>>> or
>> >>>> >>>> the pdf? I'd love to read it.
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>> The reason why its frequently mentioned/used within the Hedge
>> Fund
>> >>>> >>>> industry is due to how rapidly HFs change, as can be seen in the
>> >>>> >>>> quant
>> >>>> >>>> meltdown of 2007 (In three days, you could've made R1 turn into
>> >>>> >>>> R500,
>> >>>> >>>> if
>> >>>> >>>> you were at the right place at the right time). Testing for
>> >>>> >>>> adaption
>> >>>> >>>> here
>> >>>> >>>> is extremely interesting, and saves you years of work. HFs is
>> also
>> >>>> >>>> the
>> >>>> >>>> canary in the coal mine in world of finance.
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>> You are spot on with the over-fitting issue. :-) I corrected
>> this
>> >>>> >>>> when
>> >>>> >>>> I
>> >>>> >>>> implemented mine. When using fundamental analysis, they'd
>> >>>> >>>> implement
>> >>>> >>>> like,
>> >>>> >>>> 15 different fundamental metrics, of which maybe 4 or 5 have any
>> >>>> >>>> statical
>> >>>> >>>> significance. In fact, certain researchers went to the extent of
>> >>>> running
>> >>>> >>>> a
>> >>>> >>>> GA to select the variables for "best-fit" first... which is akin
>> >>>> >>>> to
>> >>>> >>>> data-mining in the sense that they are finding the best
>> variables
>> >>>> >>>> that
>> >>>> >>>> fit
>> >>>> >>>> with the given data BEFORE running the algorithm.
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>> And yes, the evolutionary algorithm is trained using a data-base
>> >>>> first,
>> >>>> >>>> before it goes live. Typically, the GA selects the variables and
>> >>>> >>>> the
>> >>>> ANN
>> >>>> >>>> is
>> >>>> >>>> what does all the decision making. Having the computer decide
>> what
>> >>>> >>>> it
>> >>>> >>>> should do for both is unwise, or at least, I think so.
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>> Like I said, you put garbage in, you going to get garbage out,
>> >>>> >>>> that
>> >>>> >>>> is
>> >>>> >>>> how it works with these black box machines, so yeah, people have
>> >>>> >>>> used
>> >>>> >>>> GA's
>> >>>> >>>> before, but like we both mentioned, how you program it and I
>> would
>> >>>> >>>> is
>> >>>> >>>> totally different, which means it would learn differently, just
>> as
>> >>>> >>>> we
>> >>>> >>>> do.
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>> You also mentioned "Buy-Low/Sell-High" when there are economic
>> >>>> >>>> shocks,
>> >>>> >>>> which is a great strategy, sure, but stock prices will adjust
>> >>>> >>>> accordingly
>> >>>> >>>> anyway, so while they may be cheaper than usual, they won't
>> >>>> necessarily
>> >>>> >>>> be
>> >>>> >>>> mispriced, which is what I'm interested in. I can't always wait
>> >>>> >>>> for
>> >>>> >>>> some
>> >>>> >>>> kind of external economic movement to make money.
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>>   As you've said, I don't want to match the market at all, else
>> >>>> >>>> I'd
>> >>>> >>>> go
>> >>>> >>>> passive. Stocks are priced at the value that the market values
>> it
>> >>>> >>>> at
>> >>>> >>>> and
>> >>>> >>>> those are often subjective prices, more often than not.If I had
>> a
>> >>>> basic
>> >>>> >>>> program to initiate buy/sell commands based on whether a stock
>> >>>> >>>> falls
>> >>>> >>>> below/above a certain price and expect it to earn money, I'd be
>> a
>> >>>> >>>> billionaire by now.
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Ilitirit Sama
>> >>>> >>>> <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>>> @GB
>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>> I did some reading up on using GA against the stock market.  It
>> >>>> >>>>> seems
>> >>>> >>>>> some Hedge Funds use them already, but most of these funds are
>> >>>> already
>> >>>> >>>>> defunct (probably not because of the use of GAs though).  Was
>> >>>> >>>>> that
>> >>>> >>>>> paper
>> >>>> >>>>> you mentioned by Peter Stone?  It answers a lot of the
>> questions
>> >>>> >>>>> I
>> >>>> had.
>> >>>> >>>>>  It
>> >>>> >>>>> seems the evolution of the ANN happens way before the data is
>> run
>> >>>> >>>>> on
>> >>>> >>>>> live
>> >>>> >>>>> data.  Stock Market GAs also tend to suffer from
>> "over-fitting",
>> >>>> which
>> >>>> >>>>> is
>> >>>> >>>>> something I also mentioned.  They try to adjust to past
>> >>>> >>>>> performance
>> >>>> in
>> >>>> >>>>> order to generate an expected result.  However, most GAs don't
>> >>>> >>>>> take
>> >>>> >>>>> into
>> >>>> >>>>> account random fluctuations in the result, so they fail
>> miserably
>> >>>> when
>> >>>> >>>>> they
>> >>>> >>>>> try to derive patterns from the data.  The best they can do is
>> to
>> >>>> >>>>> try
>> >>>> >>>>> to
>> >>>> >>>>> match the curve, which of course is very bad.
>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Ilitirit Sama
>> >>>> >>>>> <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>> He needs to confirm the subscription.  The link should be at
>> the
>> >>>> >>>>>> bottom of any of the admins' messages.  Give me his email
>> >>>> >>>>>> address.
>> >>>> >>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 2:03 PM, lindsey kiviets
>> >>>> >>>>>> <lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> >>>> >>>>>> > wrote:
>> >>>> >>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>> lol,
>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>> @ilitrit , gimme th fgc link again please.i added Hilton
>> myself
>> >>>> >>>>>>> ,
>> >>>> >>>>>>> and
>> >>>> >>>>>>> it seems he is not added to the mails.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------
>> >>>> >>>>>>> Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 13:59:14 +0200
>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>> >>>> >>>>>>> From: ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx
>> >>>> >>>>>>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>> *lol* Guys will just have to put their cellphones where I can
>> >>>> >>>>>>> see
>> >>>> >>>>>>> em,
>> >>>> >>>>>>> or else :P Scumbaggery at it's finest :P
>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>> I'm busy editing the vids. Will start uploading soon :)
>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Ashraf Barendse <
>> >>>> >>>>>>> ashraf.barendse@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>> The first rule of Random FG club is...
>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>> Gohan is a charge character. I know this because LB knows
>> this.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>
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