Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi

  • From: Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 02:18:47 +0200

> Either that or I'm doing silly stuff for like 30 matches, which is *probably
> what happened*.


FTFY.

Told you many times before, you play too conservatively during footsies.
You get whiff punished once and then you never press that button again.



On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 12:43 AM, G B <sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> GG Sap. Please die and burn in hell with Rose.
>
> Seriously, its feels 7-3 to Rose.
>
> Either that or I'm doing silly stuff for like 30 matches, which is
> impossible.
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 11:36 PM, Ryan Williams <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>
>> *lol* Dragonball Z: Hyper Dimension. Check out the matches :)
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/user/PhoenixSA
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 9:37 PM, Di Lhong <numotd@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> wavedashing? what game is this?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 6:24 PM, Ryan Williams <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wait until you see the wavedashing *lol*
>>>>
>>>> I didn't even know that was possible :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 6:15 PM, Ryan Williams <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> *lol*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 6:09 PM, Stephen Scheidel <
>>>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> That Lumi combo is so legit !
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5 February 2014 18:06, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks dude !
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5 February 2014 16:31, Ryan Williams <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All the DBZ vids are up :) Hope you guys enjoy reliving the hype
>>>>>>>> *lol*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 4:12 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair <
>>>>>>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Reading in the Barb thread and some guy has made a pure thorns
>>>>>>>>> Barb. The point was to see if he could kill opponents without 
>>>>>>>>> pressing a
>>>>>>>>> single button - combo of thorns + life regen.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> He tested the barb against Diablo in MP0. It took half an hour for
>>>>>>>>> Diablo to die, but it worked.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
>>>>>>>>> cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Di Lhong
>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* 05 February 2014 3:48 PM
>>>>>>>>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Who needs GTA when you have Goat Simulator!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgTQglGvNUs
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair <
>>>>>>>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  http://myanimelist.net/anime/10456/Kyoukaisenjou_no_Horizon
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Some guy on one of my forums recommended it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think I'm going to delete that Unbreakable Machine thing. The
>>>>>>>>> complete lack of originality grates.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
>>>>>>>>> cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Wynand-Ben
>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* 05 February 2014 3:39 PM
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* RE: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Horizon does not ring a bell...
>>>>>>>>>  ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From: alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 13:37:13 +0000
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yeah, since games overtook movies as the biggest media profit
>>>>>>>>> area, the situation was bound to change.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hey Paas, do you have Horizon lying around? I mean the anime
>>>>>>>>> series.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [
>>>>>>>>> mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]
>>>>>>>>> *On Behalf Of *Wynand-Ben
>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* 05 February 2014 3:32 PM
>>>>>>>>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* RE: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When cost to produce games increased exponentially but game prices
>>>>>>>>> stay essentially the same for over a decade...  people start getting
>>>>>>>>> creative :P
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In short
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Money happened
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 15:23:13 +0200
>>>>>>>>> > Subject: Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>>>>> > From: gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> > To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > What ever happened to just releasing a game?
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > On 05/02/2014, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > > Hahaha
>>>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>>>> > > On 05/02/2014, Donaldson, Alasdair <
>>>>>>>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > >> I understand that it's not a full game. I'm sure USD30 is a
>>>>>>>>> real bargain
>>>>>>>>> > >> for
>>>>>>>>> > >> a 5min speedrun game.
>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>> > >> Maybe if you pre-order it you get a free picture of Kojima
>>>>>>>>> pulling the
>>>>>>>>> > >> story
>>>>>>>>> > >> out of his ass.
>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>> > >> From: cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [
>>>>>>>>> mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>> ]
>>>>>>>>> > >> On
>>>>>>>>> > >> Behalf Of Wynand-Ben
>>>>>>>>> > >> Sent: 05 February 2014 3:10 PM
>>>>>>>>> > >> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> > >> Subject: RE: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>> > >> Well wasnt going to be a "big" demo from the start?
>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>> > >> Kinda like the ship segment from MGS2. Cant remember it ever
>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>> > >> advertised as a proper game.
>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>> > >> Thats how I understood it from the start...
>>>>>>>>> > >> ________________________________
>>>>>>>>> > >> From:
>>>>>>>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > >> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>> > >> Subject: RE: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>>>>> > >> Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 13:04:32 +0000
>>>>>>>>> > >> Lol, 5min for a speedrun. No doubt 4 of those 5 minutes are
>>>>>>>>> spend hiding.
>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>> > >> Two hours of game, with 5minutes of actual gameplay. Yup,
>>>>>>>>> sounds like
>>>>>>>>> > >> MGS...
>>>>>>>>> > >> Hopefully they will have a heavy pseudo-intellectual
>>>>>>>>> storyline to go
>>>>>>>>> > >> along
>>>>>>>>> > >> with it.
>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>> > >> From:
>>>>>>>>> cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>> > >> [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]
>>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Ilitirit Sama
>>>>>>>>> > >> Sent: 05 February 2014 2:50 PM
>>>>>>>>> > >> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>> > >> Subject: Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>> > >> Disappointment of the week
>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>> http://metro.co.uk/2014/02/05/metal-gear-solid-v-ground-zeroes-is-only-2-hours-long-4291338/
>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>> > >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Ilitirit Sama
>>>>>>>>> > >> <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > >> Wow, someone released the Art of Fighting source code
>>>>>>>>> (without assets, of
>>>>>>>>> > >> course)
>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>> > >> https://app.box.com/s/5on2e593tqt2c8ketc68
>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>> > >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Ilitirit Sama
>>>>>>>>> > >> <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > >> Watched it live. It will be on their YouTube channel in the
>>>>>>>>> next day or
>>>>>>>>> > >> so.
>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>> > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9yHaajDKNc
>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>> > >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Sean Carrington
>>>>>>>>> > >> <
>>>>>>>>> theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > >> Link -_-
>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>> > >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:19 PM, Ilitirit Sama
>>>>>>>>> > >> <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > >> Did anyone watch Infiltration vs Tokido? Highest level of
>>>>>>>>> Akuma play
>>>>>>>>> > >> I've
>>>>>>>>> > >> seen. SFIV is relatively slow but it's so demanding on fast
>>>>>>>>> reactions
>>>>>>>>> > >> and
>>>>>>>>> > >> situational awareness. In one situation Tokido did a combo
>>>>>>>>> into reset
>>>>>>>>> > >> and
>>>>>>>>> > >> which he knew would trade if Infiltration did a DP. He did
>>>>>>>>> this because
>>>>>>>>> > >> he
>>>>>>>>> > >> was calculating the stun values in his head. Infiltration
>>>>>>>>> went for the
>>>>>>>>> > >> DP,
>>>>>>>>> > >> it traded and Tokido got the dizzy. So pro.
>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>> > >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair
>>>>>>>>> > >> <
>>>>>>>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> > >> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > >> Sounds like he was having a pretty horrible nightmare.
>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>> > >> From:
>>>>>>>>> cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>> > >> [
>>>>>>>>> mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx><cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx%3cmailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx%3e>
>>>>>>>>> ]
>>>>>>>>> > >> On Behalf Of Ilitirit Sama
>>>>>>>>> > >> Sent: 05 February 2014 1:11 PM
>>>>>>>>> > >> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>> > >> Subject: Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>> > >> Go back to sleep.
>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>> > >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Sean Carrington
>>>>>>>>> > >> <
>>>>>>>>> theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > >> Did someone say SFxT ?
>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>> > >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:04 PM, G B
>>>>>>>>> > >> <sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > >> Gamernet House, 45 Salisbury Road, Cape Town, ZA
>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>> > >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Jack Steel
>>>>>>>>> > >> <orichih@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:orichih@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > >> Let me know were as it is my 1st time
>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>> > >> On 2/5/14, Jack Steel <
>>>>>>>>> orichih@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:orichih@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>>>> > >> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > >>> Reason y i have xbox and ps3 was 4 kof 13 but i did not get
>>>>>>>>> copy i had
>>>>>>>>> > >>> sfxt found 1 sa player further no1.that's y i was gears of
>>>>>>>>> war player
>>>>>>>>> > >>> now im stuck on ggpo 4 competition toying around.
>>>>>>>>> > >>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>> On 2/5/14, Jack Steel <
>>>>>>>>> orichih@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:orichih@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > >>>> Im gonna start of slow c im new 2 group im sa and friendly
>>>>>>>>> .i had a
>>>>>>>>> > >>>> copy of kof 12 but i need a copy of kof 13 i got xbox and
>>>>>>>>> ps3 and will
>>>>>>>>> > >>>> soon upgrade graphic card 4 pc. To cover most platforms c
>>>>>>>>> what games r
>>>>>>>>> > >>>> famous 2 play.train.and thn c it sound interesting.ill try
>>>>>>>>> 2 come 2
>>>>>>>>> > >>>> belville 2 get use 2 the flow.
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>> On 2/5/14, Ilitirit Sama
>>>>>>>>> > >>>> <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> I remember playing you on GGPO. My user name is ilitirit
>>>>>>>>> but I don't
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> play
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> on there any more cos my GGPO doesn't work. We play on
>>>>>>>>> SupArc now.
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> It's
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> like GGPO but you can play against 3 people in a lobby if
>>>>>>>>> you want to.
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> Are you going to come to the Saturday sessions in
>>>>>>>>> Bellville?
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 11:09 AM, Jack Steel
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> <orichih@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:orichih@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> My ggpo user is goku1up- and finalfighter i smashed many
>>>>>>>>> ggpo kof
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> 2002
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> players avk team sa and other locals they tried all
>>>>>>>>> cheats 2 no
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> profit
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> i hope to get smashed in kof13 and other platforms.smash
>>>>>>>>> or b
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> smashed"d.^_^;)
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> On 2/3/14, Nicholas Robertson-Muir
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> <nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > I wonder if they would have done the same if it was me?
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > Or would they be all like... call the hospital, this
>>>>>>>>> man is about
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > to
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> have a
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > heart-attack.
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Sean Carrington
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > <
>>>>>>>>> theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >> I think I'm troubled.
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >> I might have cursed one too many times at the GM of
>>>>>>>>> Telkom
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >> Claremont.
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >> I was escorted out of the mall by security...
>>>>>>>>> *facepalm*.
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >> On 03 Feb 2014 4:02 PM, "G B"
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >> <sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>> "subjective prices" - I mean that they are priced
>>>>>>>>> subjectively...
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>> See
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>> DeBont and Thaler (1985)'s classic overreaction
>>>>>>>>> hypothesis, or
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>> google
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>> anything on herding, as a basic yet 'oh so'
>>>>>>>>> applicable example.
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 3:52 PM, G B
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>> <sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> Never heard of Peter Stone. Can you send me the
>>>>>>>>> title of the
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> article
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> the pdf? I'd love to read it.
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> The reason why its frequently mentioned/used within
>>>>>>>>> the Hedge
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> Fund
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> industry is due to how rapidly HFs change, as can be
>>>>>>>>> seen in the
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> quant
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> meltdown of 2007 (In three days, you could've made
>>>>>>>>> R1 turn into
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> R500,
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> if
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> you were at the right place at the right time).
>>>>>>>>> Testing for
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> adaption
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> here
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> is extremely interesting, and saves you years of
>>>>>>>>> work. HFs is
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> also
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> the
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> canary in the coal mine in world of finance.
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> You are spot on with the over-fitting issue. :-) I
>>>>>>>>> corrected
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> this
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> when
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> I
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> implemented mine. When using fundamental analysis,
>>>>>>>>> they'd
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> implement
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> like,
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> 15 different fundamental metrics, of which maybe 4
>>>>>>>>> or 5 have any
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> statical
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> significance. In fact, certain researchers went to
>>>>>>>>> the extent of
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> running
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> a
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> GA to select the variables for "best-fit" first...
>>>>>>>>> which is akin
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> to
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> data-mining in the sense that they are finding the
>>>>>>>>> best
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> variables
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> that
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> fit
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> with the given data BEFORE running the algorithm.
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> And yes, the evolutionary algorithm is trained using
>>>>>>>>> a data-base
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> first,
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> before it goes live. Typically, the GA selects the
>>>>>>>>> variables and
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> the
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> ANN
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> is
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> what does all the decision making. Having the
>>>>>>>>> computer decide
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> what
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> it
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> should do for both is unwise, or at least, I think
>>>>>>>>> so.
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> Like I said, you put garbage in, you going to get
>>>>>>>>> garbage out,
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> that
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> is
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> how it works with these black box machines, so yeah,
>>>>>>>>> people have
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> used
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> GA's
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> before, but like we both mentioned, how you program
>>>>>>>>> it and I
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> would
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> is
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> totally different, which means it would learn
>>>>>>>>> differently, just
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> as
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> we
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> do.
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> You also mentioned "Buy-Low/Sell-High" when there
>>>>>>>>> are economic
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> shocks,
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> which is a great strategy, sure, but stock prices
>>>>>>>>> will adjust
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> accordingly
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> anyway, so while they may be cheaper than usual,
>>>>>>>>> they won't
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> necessarily
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> be
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> mispriced, which is what I'm interested in. I can't
>>>>>>>>> always wait
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> for
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> some
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> kind of external economic movement to make money.
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> As you've said, I don't want to match the market at
>>>>>>>>> all, else
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> I'd
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> go
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> passive. Stocks are priced at the value that the
>>>>>>>>> market values
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> it
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> at
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> and
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> those are often subjective prices, more often than
>>>>>>>>> not.If I had
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> a
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> basic
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> program to initiate buy/sell commands based on
>>>>>>>>> whether a stock
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> falls
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> below/above a certain price and expect it to earn
>>>>>>>>> money, I'd be
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> a
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> billionaire by now.
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Ilitirit Sama
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> >>wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> @GB
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> I did some reading up on using GA against the stock
>>>>>>>>> market. It
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> seems
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> some Hedge Funds use them already, but most of
>>>>>>>>> these funds are
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> already
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> defunct (probably not because of the use of GAs
>>>>>>>>> though). Was
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> paper
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> you mentioned by Peter Stone? It answers a lot of
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> questions
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> had.
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> It
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> seems the evolution of the ANN happens way before
>>>>>>>>> the data is
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> run
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> on
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> live
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> data. Stock Market GAs also tend to suffer from
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> "over-fitting",
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> something I also mentioned. They try to adjust to
>>>>>>>>> past
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> performance
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> order to generate an expected result. However, most
>>>>>>>>> GAs don't
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> take
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> into
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> account random fluctuations in the result, so they
>>>>>>>>> fail
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> miserably
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> they
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> try to derive patterns from the data. The best they
>>>>>>>>> can do is
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> try
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> match the curve, which of course is very bad.
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Ilitirit Sama
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> >>wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> He needs to confirm the subscription. The link
>>>>>>>>> should be at
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> bottom of any of the admins' messages. Give me his
>>>>>>>>> email
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> address.
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 2:03 PM, lindsey kiviets
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> <
>>>>>>>>> lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> lol,
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> @ilitrit , gimme th fgc link again please.i added
>>>>>>>>> Hilton
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> myself
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> ,
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> it seems he is not added to the mails.
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 13:59:14 +0200
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> From:
>>>>>>>>> ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> To:
>>>>>>>>> cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> *lol* Guys will just have to put their cellphones
>>>>>>>>> where I can
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> see
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> em,
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> or else :P Scumbaggery at it's finest :P
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm busy editing the vids. Will start uploading
>>>>>>>>> soon :)
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Ashraf Barendse <
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ashraf.barendse@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ashraf.barendse@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> The first rule of Random FG club is...
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> Gohan is a charge character. I know this because
>>>>>>>>> LB knows
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> this.
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
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