Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi

  • From: Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 15:23:13 +0200

What ever happened to just releasing a game?

On 05/02/2014, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hahaha
>
> On 05/02/2014, Donaldson, Alasdair <alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> I understand that it's not a full game. I'm sure USD30 is a real bargain
>> for
>> a 5min speedrun game.
>>
>> Maybe if you pre-order it you get a free picture of Kojima pulling the
>> story
>> out of his ass.
>>
>> From: cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> On
>> Behalf Of Wynand-Ben
>> Sent: 05 February 2014 3:10 PM
>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: RE: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>
>> Well wasnt going to be a "big" demo from the start?
>>
>> Kinda like the ship segment from MGS2.   Cant remember it ever being
>> advertised as a proper game.
>>
>>
>> Thats how I understood it from the start...
>> ________________________________
>> From: alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: RE: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>> Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 13:04:32 +0000
>> Lol, 5min for a speedrun. No doubt 4 of those 5 minutes are spend hiding.
>>
>> Two hours of game, with 5minutes of actual gameplay. Yup, sounds like
>> MGS...
>> Hopefully they will have a heavy pseudo-intellectual storyline to go
>> along
>> with it.
>>
>> From: cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ilitirit Sama
>> Sent: 05 February 2014 2:50 PM
>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>
>> Disappointment of the week
>>
>> http://metro.co.uk/2014/02/05/metal-gear-solid-v-ground-zeroes-is-only-2-hours-long-4291338/
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Ilitirit Sama
>> <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>> Wow, someone released the Art of Fighting source code (without assets, of
>> course)
>>
>> https://app.box.com/s/5on2e593tqt2c8ketc68
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Ilitirit Sama
>> <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>> Watched it live.  It will be on their YouTube channel in the next day or
>> so.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9yHaajDKNc
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Sean Carrington
>> <theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>> Link -_-
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:19 PM, Ilitirit Sama
>> <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>> Did anyone watch Infiltration vs Tokido?  Highest level of Akuma play
>> I've
>> seen.  SFIV is relatively slow but it's so demanding on fast reactions
>> and
>> situational awareness.  In one situation Tokido did a combo into reset
>> and
>> which he knew would trade if Infiltration did a DP.  He did this because
>> he
>> was calculating the stun values in his head.  Infiltration went for the
>> DP,
>> it traded and Tokido got the dizzy.  So pro.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair
>> <alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>>
>> wrote:
>> Sounds like he was having a pretty horrible nightmare.
>>
>> From: cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]
>> On Behalf Of Ilitirit Sama
>> Sent: 05 February 2014 1:11 PM
>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>
>> Subject: Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>
>> Go back to sleep.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Sean Carrington
>> <theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>> Did someone say SFxT ?
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:04 PM, G B
>> <sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>> Gamernet House, 45 Salisbury Road, Cape Town, ZA
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Jack Steel
>> <orichih@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:orichih@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>> Let me know were as it is my 1st time
>>
>> On 2/5/14, Jack Steel <orichih@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:orichih@xxxxxxxxx>>
>> wrote:
>>> Reason y i have xbox and ps3 was 4 kof 13 but i did not get copy i had
>>> sfxt found 1 sa player further no1.that's y i was gears of war player
>>> now im stuck on ggpo 4 competition toying around.
>>>
>>> On 2/5/14, Jack Steel <orichih@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:orichih@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Im gonna start of slow c im new 2 group im sa and friendly .i had a
>>>> copy of kof 12 but i need a copy of kof 13 i got xbox and ps3 and will
>>>> soon upgrade graphic card 4 pc. To cover most platforms c what games r
>>>> famous 2 play.train.and thn c  it sound interesting.ill try 2 come 2
>>>> belville 2 get use 2 the flow.
>>>>
>>>> On 2/5/14, Ilitirit Sama
>>>> <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> I remember playing you on GGPO.  My user name is ilitirit but I don't
>>>>> play
>>>>> on there any more cos my GGPO doesn't work.  We play on SupArc now.
>>>>> It's
>>>>> like GGPO but you can play against 3 people in a lobby if you want to.
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you going to come to the Saturday sessions in Bellville?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 11:09 AM, Jack Steel
>>>>> <orichih@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:orichih@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> My ggpo user is goku1up- and finalfighter i smashed many ggpo kof
>>>>>> 2002
>>>>>> players avk team sa and other locals they tried all cheats 2 no
>>>>>> profit
>>>>>> i hope to get smashed in kof13 and other platforms.smash or b
>>>>>> smashed"d.^_^;)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/3/14, Nicholas Robertson-Muir
>>>>>> <nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>>> > I wonder if they would have done the same if it was me?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Or would they be all like... call the hospital, this man is about
>>>>>> > to
>>>>>> have a
>>>>>> > heart-attack.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Sean Carrington
>>>>>> > <theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> I think I'm troubled.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> I might have cursed one too many times at the GM of Telkom
>>>>>> >> Claremont.
>>>>>> >> I was escorted out of the mall by security... *facepalm*.
>>>>>> >> On 03 Feb 2014 4:02 PM, "G B"
>>>>>> >> <sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>> "subjective prices" - I mean that they are priced subjectively...
>>>>>> >>> See
>>>>>> >>> DeBont and Thaler (1985)'s classic overreaction hypothesis, or
>>>>>> >>> google
>>>>>> >>> anything on herding, as a basic yet 'oh so' applicable example.
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 3:52 PM, G B
>>>>>> >>> <sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>> Never heard of Peter Stone. Can you send me the title of the
>>>>>> >>>> article
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> >>>> the pdf? I'd love to read it.
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> The reason why its frequently mentioned/used within the Hedge
>>>>>> >>>> Fund
>>>>>> >>>> industry is due to how rapidly HFs change, as can be seen in the
>>>>>> >>>> quant
>>>>>> >>>> meltdown of 2007 (In three days, you could've made R1 turn into
>>>>>> >>>> R500,
>>>>>> >>>> if
>>>>>> >>>> you were at the right place at the right time). Testing for
>>>>>> >>>> adaption
>>>>>> >>>> here
>>>>>> >>>> is extremely interesting, and saves you years of work. HFs is
>>>>>> >>>> also
>>>>>> >>>> the
>>>>>> >>>> canary in the coal mine in world of finance.
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> You are spot on with the over-fitting issue. :-) I corrected
>>>>>> >>>> this
>>>>>> >>>> when
>>>>>> >>>> I
>>>>>> >>>> implemented mine. When using fundamental analysis, they'd
>>>>>> >>>> implement
>>>>>> >>>> like,
>>>>>> >>>> 15 different fundamental metrics, of which maybe 4 or 5 have any
>>>>>> >>>> statical
>>>>>> >>>> significance. In fact, certain researchers went to the extent of
>>>>>> running
>>>>>> >>>> a
>>>>>> >>>> GA to select the variables for "best-fit" first... which is akin
>>>>>> >>>> to
>>>>>> >>>> data-mining in the sense that they are finding the best
>>>>>> >>>> variables
>>>>>> >>>> that
>>>>>> >>>> fit
>>>>>> >>>> with the given data BEFORE running the algorithm.
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> And yes, the evolutionary algorithm is trained using a data-base
>>>>>> first,
>>>>>> >>>> before it goes live. Typically, the GA selects the variables and
>>>>>> >>>> the
>>>>>> ANN
>>>>>> >>>> is
>>>>>> >>>> what does all the decision making. Having the computer decide
>>>>>> >>>> what
>>>>>> >>>> it
>>>>>> >>>> should do for both is unwise, or at least, I think so.
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> Like I said, you put garbage in, you going to get garbage out,
>>>>>> >>>> that
>>>>>> >>>> is
>>>>>> >>>> how it works with these black box machines, so yeah, people have
>>>>>> >>>> used
>>>>>> >>>> GA's
>>>>>> >>>> before, but like we both mentioned, how you program it and I
>>>>>> >>>> would
>>>>>> >>>> is
>>>>>> >>>> totally different, which means it would learn differently, just
>>>>>> >>>> as
>>>>>> >>>> we
>>>>>> >>>> do.
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> You also mentioned "Buy-Low/Sell-High" when there are economic
>>>>>> >>>> shocks,
>>>>>> >>>> which is a great strategy, sure, but stock prices will adjust
>>>>>> >>>> accordingly
>>>>>> >>>> anyway, so while they may be cheaper than usual, they won't
>>>>>> necessarily
>>>>>> >>>> be
>>>>>> >>>> mispriced, which is what I'm interested in. I can't always wait
>>>>>> >>>> for
>>>>>> >>>> some
>>>>>> >>>> kind of external economic movement to make money.
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>   As you've said, I don't want to match the market at all, else
>>>>>> >>>> I'd
>>>>>> >>>> go
>>>>>> >>>> passive. Stocks are priced at the value that the market values
>>>>>> >>>> it
>>>>>> >>>> at
>>>>>> >>>> and
>>>>>> >>>> those are often subjective prices, more often than not.If I had
>>>>>> >>>> a
>>>>>> basic
>>>>>> >>>> program to initiate buy/sell commands based on whether a stock
>>>>>> >>>> falls
>>>>>> >>>> below/above a certain price and expect it to earn money, I'd be
>>>>>> >>>> a
>>>>>> >>>> billionaire by now.
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Ilitirit Sama
>>>>>> >>>> <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>>wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> @GB
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> I did some reading up on using GA against the stock market.  It
>>>>>> >>>>> seems
>>>>>> >>>>> some Hedge Funds use them already, but most of these funds are
>>>>>> already
>>>>>> >>>>> defunct (probably not because of the use of GAs though).  Was
>>>>>> >>>>> that
>>>>>> >>>>> paper
>>>>>> >>>>> you mentioned by Peter Stone?  It answers a lot of the
>>>>>> >>>>> questions
>>>>>> >>>>> I
>>>>>> had.
>>>>>> >>>>>  It
>>>>>> >>>>> seems the evolution of the ANN happens way before the data is
>>>>>> >>>>> run
>>>>>> >>>>> on
>>>>>> >>>>> live
>>>>>> >>>>> data.  Stock Market GAs also tend to suffer from
>>>>>> >>>>> "over-fitting",
>>>>>> which
>>>>>> >>>>> is
>>>>>> >>>>> something I also mentioned.  They try to adjust to past
>>>>>> >>>>> performance
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> >>>>> order to generate an expected result.  However, most GAs don't
>>>>>> >>>>> take
>>>>>> >>>>> into
>>>>>> >>>>> account random fluctuations in the result, so they fail
>>>>>> >>>>> miserably
>>>>>> when
>>>>>> >>>>> they
>>>>>> >>>>> try to derive patterns from the data.  The best they can do is
>>>>>> >>>>> to
>>>>>> >>>>> try
>>>>>> >>>>> to
>>>>>> >>>>> match the curve, which of course is very bad.
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Ilitirit Sama
>>>>>> >>>>> <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>>wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> He needs to confirm the subscription.  The link should be at
>>>>>> >>>>>> the
>>>>>> >>>>>> bottom of any of the admins' messages.  Give me his email
>>>>>> >>>>>> address.
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 2:03 PM, lindsey kiviets
>>>>>> >>>>>> <lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> >>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> lol,
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> @ilitrit , gimme th fgc link again please.i added Hilton
>>>>>> >>>>>>> myself
>>>>>> >>>>>>> ,
>>>>>> >>>>>>> and
>>>>>> >>>>>>> it seems he is not added to the mails.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>> >>>>>>> Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 13:59:14 +0200
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> *lol* Guys will just have to put their cellphones where I can
>>>>>> >>>>>>> see
>>>>>> >>>>>>> em,
>>>>>> >>>>>>> or else :P Scumbaggery at it's finest :P
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm busy editing the vids. Will start uploading soon :)
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Ashraf Barendse <
>>>>>> >>>>>>> ashraf.barendse@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ashraf.barendse@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> The first rule of Random FG club is...
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> Gohan is a charge character. I know this because LB knows
>>>>>> >>>>>>> this.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
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