I did something similar to the rest of the dog's in that household, after Sparkles attacked us. Every time I would go by for a while I would throw small biscuits at the dogs as I passed. They were tied up and their owners didn't care, but the dogs loved these little presents of ours and came to look forward to them from us, smile. After a while I switched to a variable reinforcement and you know never had another problem, and I could see one of the dogs was developing the same habits that Sparkles did. By the by, talking to Sparkles I honestly think aggrevated the situation didn't reduce it, who knows, but I was the target not Judson, whatever that means. Shelley L. Rhodes M.A., VRT, CTVI and Guinevere, Golden lady Guide juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx Guide Dogs For the Blind Inc. Graduate Alumni Association Board www.guidedogs.com More than Any other time, When i hold a beloved book in my hand, my limitations fall from me, my spirit is free. - Helen Keller ----- Original Message ----- From: "metnme2" <metnme2@xxxxxxxxx> To: "Vi-Clicker" <vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 3:48 PM Subject: (VICT) Re: Alex- Dog Attack >PA doesn't mess around.< Man they sure do not- sounds like I lived in the wrong state when Met was attacked! That dog went on to bite a child who just walked by their yard before it got PTS. >honestly vinegar is a great little tool sometimes< I know you meant this in the figurative sense but actual vinegar saved Met from an attack when we were in California. It was recommended by a dog trainer. I know most here can not use it but thought I would mention it anyway. I know a gal on the OCAD list who recommended throwing crappy tennis balls (you know the dollar store quality) towards the approaching dog. Of course when we can not see the dogs that won't work but those here who can might find that helpful. Of course your own dog needs to be able to understand leaving the ball unless you actually have engaged them with play. Karyn and Met -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.13.2/983 - Release Date: 9/1/2007 4:20 PM