Sandy, I consider myself a pretty trusting individual, but I completely agree with your assertion that it is much easier to control oneself and one's own dog than the public at large. In the guide dog world, there is this big controversy over whether guide dogs should be petted in harness. I believe the trend is moving more toward allowing petting with west coast handlers and schools much less rigid on this point. The only thing to do really is to ask the handler, as some of us do and some of us don't. I have always allowed petting, believing that it's much easier to accustom my dog to accepting attention gracefully than it would be to train the entire world to not make eye contact with or wish to pet a beautiful dog. Sheila Styron, President Guide Dog Users, Inc. 816-363-3172 sheilastyron@xxxxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: vi-clicker-trainers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:vi-clicker-trainers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Infinitepaws@xxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 9:34 PM To: vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: (VICT) Re: Alex- Dog Attack In a message dated 9/1/2007 9:07:30 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, scripto@xxxxxxx writes: but in a non-threatening way, would be to enlist them in helping you as an "assistant trainer." It's worked miracles for me Ok Debi, I met you and Peek and Harry at the PAWS seminar.. I loved ya then and do now.. BUT,, I think I would have to retrain myself and reshape myself to be able to do this. I dont trust people. Long story and reason why, but not needed here.Now that I have lost most of my vision, I trust less.. maybe not the best thing. I am also fiercely independent. I would rather work on changing myself and my dog's behaviors, rather than trying to change the worlds. Dont get me wrong.. I LOVE the idea..I just don't know if I can get up the guts to ask. Sandy Foushee Infinite Paws-Abilities Training and Service Dogs Teamed with Alexandra Guide/Service Dog Colorado Service/Assistance Dog Club - Trainer.- ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour