I guess I find the whole issue of uncontrolled pet dogs roaming free so serious that I would report my neighbors. Usually, these people don't heed anyone's warnings anyhow, but at least the offenses will be on record in the event of any more serious altercations taking place in the future. This is the only way we can get the attention of authorities and eventually maybe stiffen penalties and ultimately stronger enforcement. I of course think your idea of circulating information is a positive thing to do as well and might help persuade those who are on the fence to be responsible pet owners and not allow their dogs to run loose, unsupervised. Sheila Styron, President Guide Dog Users, Inc. 816-363-3172 sheilastyron@xxxxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: vi-clicker-trainers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:vi-clicker-trainers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Infinitepaws@xxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 9:00 AM To: vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: (VICT) Alex- Dog Attack Hi all! I finally gave up getting the GDUI presentation to download on my computer and got permission to download it to cd at work. One of the reasons was that Alex was "attacked" while coming home the other evening and while she seemed to handle it fairly well, I was checking to see if there was something else I could do or could have done. BTW, it was a good presentation! it is at _www.gdui.org_ (http://www.gdui.org) on the front page to download as a audio file. Although if you have dial-up it might not download properly..which was my problem. One of the things I have talked about here was touched upon in the presentation. They said that many times a dog that is actively guiding and not paying attention to the other dog is less likely to be attacked and/or injured. I work actively with Alex on walking and working past fence fighting dogs when I can.. Luckily for me we have some on the corner on the way to the bus stop to practice with. Anyway, I have a cue called "On by" that is a cue for her to ignore their distraction and speed up forward. I use this on many distractions but it is most used for fence fighting dogs or other dogs we encounter on leash. It really helped the other day. Alex and I have to go to the store every other day to buy dog food since we are temporarily feeding kibble instead of raw and I cannot carry huge bags of dog food easily. The danes and Alex eat 20 lbs every other day. Anyway the idiot bus driver missed my stop and ended up letting us off 3 blocks past my stop. It means jaywalking a major street and walking up a really steep hill, but what the heck, gotta do what you gotta do. Anyway we were just coming to the top of the hill and were about 3 houses from home when two (I think) small dark dogs came running out from the front porch and tried to attack Alex. I was stumbling over them and they were under Alex's feet..I cued Alex "on by" and tried to keep going .. hoping the owners would get the damned dogs. Alex, bless her soul, tried to do what I asked and did pretty good considering. She just turned in her harness and pulled to look back a few times after we had gotten clear of them and the owners had corralled them.. I hate owners who choose to have their dogs off leash and yet cannot control them with voice commands..If they had run out and the owner had voice control , they could have called them back before the engaged Alex. I firmly believe in the saying Unleashed is Unloved. Except where the dogs have earned the privilege of being off leash due to owner training.., anyway, off that soapbox... We got to the house and , since she had handled that so well I took her harness off immediately inside our gate and turned the sprinkler on.. her favorite reward. Alex and I went to get dog food again last night and we have developed a small problem that I hope some time and work will cure. We were walking to the bus stop and a small dog was being walked on leash and we had to pass it, of course it lunged out to the end of its leash although not agressively and Alex was a bit nervous. I cued On by and we went on to the bus stop . Unfortunately they were following us and I had a little bit of a time getting Alex to focus on work instead of them. She did do fine when we sat down and the little dog walked by on the side walk in front of us.. just a tiny whine. On the way back,we came in from our regular stop and some small dogs opposite the large fence-fighting dogs started barking and fence fighting. Alex lurched forward into her harness like she would for a on by cue but also was vocalizing a little with tiny yips and squeaks.. I dont want her to do that at all. I am going to ignore it and c/t quiet over the next few weeks and see what happens. She also pulled really hard on the last street cross to our gate. Hopefully that was due to the sprinkler reward and not relief at getting home.. I don't want to report the owners to animal control since they live 3 doors away and could cause problems but I do plan on dropping off some information in their mailbox about the penalties for off leash dogs and for interfering with a service animal.. actually I might just do that with the surrounding neighborhood too. A little public ed can't hurt. Hopefully it was a one-time thing.. Hopefully, there won't be any long term issues either. Any other ideas or thoughts? Sandy Foushee Infinite Paws-Abilities Training and Service Dogs Teamed with Alexandra Guide/Service Dog Colorado Service/Assistance Dog Club - Trainer.- ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour