[project1dev] Re: The tail end of milestone 1
- From: Chris Riccobono <crysalim@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 14:29:58 -0700
Oh, KH had a fighting system in 3d that did a lot of new things - it's
kind of like Zelda 3d combat, combined with an rpg system. The game
was very challenging on expert if you played it like that, with a lot
of uber bosses and things. The fighting mechanic was what made the
game good though, if you didn't play normal (which turned a lot of
people off the game because it was too easy)
On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 12:43 PM, eric drewes <figarus@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> like what aspect of kingdom hearts did you want to duplicate. i guess im
> confused what you mean
>
> On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Matthew Freeland <mattthefiend@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, Kingdom hearts was a great game. Except for all the quick-time
>> events. I would really like to make something like that. Especially one that
>> is all encompassing of the RPG types and genres with plenty of homage to the
>> old school SNES games, I think that is a nice delivery method. If we could
>> do something that it would be amazing.
>>
>> On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 10:19 AM, eric drewes <figarus@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>> i really loved the atmosphere of kingdom hearts, i think thats what set
>>> it apart from other games for me... definitely want to capture that magic in
>>> our game :)
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Chris Riccobono <crysalim@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It was really innovative, each world was almost a game by itself
>>>> (introduced a new playing mechanic in each world or something.. and
>>>> that would help you get through the world)
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > Hey, how did kingdom hearts work?
>>>> >
>>>> > On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 8:19 AM, Chris Riccobono <crysalim@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The way things are sounding, having a world system like Kingdom
>>>> >> Hearts
>>>> >> would allow for a lot of the cool ideas everyone is suggesting. I
>>>> >> think the way they tackled the game was creating a very immersive
>>>> >> overall story, and then figured out ways to tie in the individual
>>>> >> worlds.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Basically to use Eric's analogy, you draw the background of the
>>>> >> canvas
>>>> >> first, and then fill it in with the foreground pieces. Background
>>>> >> would be the linear overall story, and the foreground would be the
>>>> >> individual worlds (such as where the cave would go)
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Matthew Freeland
>>>> >> <mattthefiend@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> >> > We can only have a monster dance party if someone has a MAGICAL
>>>> >> > ZOMBRERO
>>>> >> > on
>>>> >> > their costume.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > That is all.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 1:19 PM, eric drewes <figarus@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> >> > wrote:
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> theres a lot of neat ideas we had on that old forum, i keep
>>>> >> >> forgetting
>>>> >> >> to
>>>> >> >> check there but the wolf man idea reminded me
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> >> >> wrote:
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> oh awesome eric
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> maybe you could train your sidekicks too (thinkin it might be an
>>>> >> >>> application for that machine learnin stuff!)
>>>> >> >>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 1:15 PM, eric drewes <figarus@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> >> >>> wrote:
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>> haha yeah, like i picture the area being filled with laid back
>>>> >> >>>> pretty
>>>> >> >>>> cool undead dudes.
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>> hey for ooze (werewolf stuff) idea info:
>>>> >> >>>> http://atma.demofox.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=12
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Alan Wolfe
>>>> >> >>>> <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> >> >>>> wrote:
>>>> >> >>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>> hey eric, we should do a joke too (like maybe it's part of this
>>>> >> >>>>> party)
>>>> >> >>>>> about like, what all the monsters do when no one is lookin...
>>>> >> >>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>> like skeletons jokin and smokin and they are like "oh crap here
>>>> >> >>>>> come
>>>> >> >>>>> some adventurers" toss their cigs into the fire and start
>>>> >> >>>>> grunting
>>>> >> >>>>> hehe
>>>> >> >>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 1:12 PM, Alan Wolfe
>>>> >> >>>>> <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> >> >>>>> wrote:
>>>> >> >>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>> okies (:
>>>> >> >>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 1:07 PM, eric drewes
>>>> >> >>>>>> <figarus@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> >> >>>>>> wrote:
>>>> >> >>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>> i think the idea with the costume sounds funny where you
>>>> >> >>>>>>> crash a
>>>> >> >>>>>>> bizarre monster party or soemthing, we can work that in - why
>>>> >> >>>>>>> not?
>>>> >> >>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 4:04 PM, Alan Wolfe
>>>> >> >>>>>>> <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> >> >>>>>>> wrote:
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>> yeah it kinda would (:
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>> hey eric since we are going more linear storyline now, does
>>>> >> >>>>>>>> that
>>>> >> >>>>>>>> mean choices you make aren't going to affect the storyline
>>>> >> >>>>>>>> so
>>>> >> >>>>>>>> much? (i'm
>>>> >> >>>>>>>> assuming that they won't)
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>> And how much leeway do we have for optional things like
>>>> >> >>>>>>>> becoming
>>>> >> >>>>>>>> a
>>>> >> >>>>>>>> wearwolf and stuff like that, besides just as part of a
>>>> >> >>>>>>>> sandboxed
>>>> >> >>>>>>>> area -
>>>> >> >>>>>>>> like a quest where you can become a warewolf temporarily and
>>>> >> >>>>>>>> are
>>>> >> >>>>>>>> limited
>>>> >> >>>>>>>> where you can go, then later on youre cured and let out - er
>>>> >> >>>>>>>> yeah, like
>>>> >> >>>>>>>> beyond that would we let them just be a warewolf for the
>>>> >> >>>>>>>> rest of
>>>> >> >>>>>>>> the game?
>>>> >> >>>>>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Kent Petersen
>>>> >> >>>>>>>> <kentkmp@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> It would be pretty cool if you could somehow become a
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> were-creature
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> or undead as well
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> I hope to see dracula drop his ice cream some day =P
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Alan Wolfe
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> and explanation for everyone else...
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> previously before i got a job makin games, me and kent
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> were
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> makin
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> a side scrolling game where you played as megaman.
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> the "main boss" was dracula from one of the castlevania
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> games
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> hehe
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> we wanted to have a cut scene where he was eating his ice
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> cream
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> and it like, fell on the floor or something and he got sad
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> yeah... hahah
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 12:50 PM, Alan Wolfe
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> lol about dracula eating ice cream
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> this might be a really gay idea (and i dont mean in the
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> olde
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> english way haha) but...
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> back when we were thinking more of an open world, i was
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> thinking
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> it would be rad if there was like, a monster party w/
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> vampires
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> warewolves and skeletons and stuff.
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> if you went in there as something like that it'd be a
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> chill
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> palce
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> to hang out and stuff
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> but if you went in there as a normal dude or a paladin or
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> something they'd rip you up
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> if something at all fits like that in our game (maybe you
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> wear a costume or maybe if you go in with someone undead
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> your party they
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> are cool to you) we could have dracula eating ice cream
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> there
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> maybe lol
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 12:44 PM, eric drewes
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> <figarus@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> definitely lots or weird hidden mini things everywhere!
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Kent Petersen
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> <kentkmp@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Speaking of that are we going to have weird hidden mini
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> bonuses?
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Alan, you still owe me dracula eating ice cream!
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Alan Wolfe
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> lol that's awesome (:
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> are you thinking of using billboarded sprites for all
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> art
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> or something?
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 12:35 PM, eric drewes
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <figarus@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> secretly, wurmz and i are planning a mini level where
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thrown into a land w/ pixel art and 8 bit music, etc.
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dont tell alan
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shhhh
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 3:20 PM, Nick Klotz
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <roracsenshi@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree; 8-bit is awesome.
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 1:39 PM, Chris Sherman
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <cshermandesign@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think we should make an epic game that roxors in
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> graphic and coding department but the sound is all
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8bit
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> old school!!!! Sorry
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had a lot of sugar for lunch :p
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my BlackBerry
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: figarus@xxxxxxxxx
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 18:33:34 +0000
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: <project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [project1dev] Re: The tail end of
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> milestone 1
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not just games... When you paint a picture, you
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> focus on the nose till its perfect then move onto
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eyes. We'll build the
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> structure of the game first but it'll take 2 or 3
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coats
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of paint before its
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done. Even while the milestone 1 is "done" - it
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> likely be drastically
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> altered visually and mechanically (sound etc) by
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time the game is ready
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for release.
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Baby steps :)
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Alan Wolfe
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 11:11:24 -0700
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: <project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [project1dev] Re: The tail end of
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> milestone 1
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> oh and yeah, hopefully sound will be coming in
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> either
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> milestone or next (depending on what we have time
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for!)
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another thing about the milestones is we want to
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> balance
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the amount of tech work needed and the amount of
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> art
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work needed so that one
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> side isn't waiting on the other too much.
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like if the cave is prettied up 100% but there's no
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sound,
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you artists shouldnt have to wait while i code in
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sound
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support.
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You could move onto the next milestone but keeping
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> focused on the same area and keeping us all on the
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> page (at least for
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now in the beginning while we are still hammering
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out) is worth more
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than being fully feature complete right away.
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is a pretty common thing for games too
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Like, games work towards alpha while making their
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> content
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (maps, art, etc).
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alpha means the game is fully playable from start
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> finish.
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Beta means that it's feature complete (note that it
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> isnt
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feature complete until AFTER it's fully playable)
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then from beta to release, it's just bug fixes and
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> final
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spit and pollish (:
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Alan Wolfe
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah exactly
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we don't want to sit around in one area and wait
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> entire game to be fleshed out, or we'd be waiting
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forever and be stuck on
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this cave for months and months and months longer
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meanwhile have nothing
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else done.
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The purpose of the milestones is to break up
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> creating
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> game into bitesized chunks that get us closer and
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> closer to a full
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> featureset and a full game.
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We'll come back to it, but it's served it's
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> purpose for
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now and is like 90% of the way there so as soon as
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have more of a game
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> world we can hook it in and finish it up (:
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Kent Petersen
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <kentkmp@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I believe adding sound is a large task. We will
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> revisit
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the cave later once we know where it will fit
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into the
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> world and we will be
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> able to add in all the new features we have
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> created
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then.
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Matthew
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Freeland
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mattthefiend@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By the way I Think an important thing to work on
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sound milestones before we move away from the
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mine.
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just a thought.
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:00 AM, Alan Wolfe
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh and Eric wants to do #5, and i will do #4 if
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else wants to (but feel free if you want to!!).
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And i'll be doin #6 for sure.
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not sure how the rest of it falls! (:
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 8:40 AM, Alan Wolfe
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Everyone,
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This first milestone working on the cave has
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worked
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out a lot of issues with workflow and gotten
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us a
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> basic set of features
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (enemy pathing, AI and a basic level editor)
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> preformance upgrades.
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> These were some of the main goals of this
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> milestone so mission accomplished!
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since we don't know where exactly this cave is
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to fit in with the rest of the world, Eric was
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking it would be best
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (even for the sake of sanity because we've
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> working on this area for so
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long) to forgo to pollish phase of this map
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leave it at about 90%
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> finished until we do know the details of where
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going in the world and
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can finish it up then, and I agree that is a
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idea.
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here's the things he identified as wanting to
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> finish
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up before we move on:
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #1) Put the new boss art in
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #2) Animate the dog men
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #3) Replace the stationary miner art
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #4) Finish decorating the cave with the props
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (and any that anyone is working on)
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #5) Do a lighting pass
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #6) I want to do an optimization pass for the
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> models
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cause i think a few models we can reduce the
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> number
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of verts without losing
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any major visual quality (and i'll run the
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simplified models by everyone
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before i check them in to make sure I don't
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ugly
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things up too much). This
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should boost overall performance which will
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> let us
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> place more objects while
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maintaining higher frame rates.
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anything else that anyone really wants to get
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in or
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does that sound ok to everyone?
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are some known issues that we are just
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leave for now (unless they are quick fixes and
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone wants to tackle any!),
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that we'll deal with when we come back to the
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cave
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> later on:
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * the boss is too tall and clips through the
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bridge
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (might be fixed with new art but maybe not)
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * you can walk around and through the rocks
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> caved
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * theres places in the map you can still fall
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> through
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ground into infinity
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * there's a few places where z fighting still
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happens
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Others: we haven't gone through a QA pass or
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> play
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tested it to find the bugs we don't know
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about.
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eric and I are finalizing the details of the
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2nd
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> milestone to make sure it makes sense from
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> both a
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> creative and technical POV
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the details will be released by the end of
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> week.
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Great job everyone, we are really kicking ass
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is shaping up to be a great team! (:
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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