[project1dev] Re: The tail end of milestone 1

  • From: figarus@xxxxxxxxx
  • To: project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 20:07:27 +0000

Ya I'm not a huge disney guy but the game felt like going to disneyland as a 
kid.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Riccobono <crysalim@xxxxxxxxx>

Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 12:47:46 
To: <project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [project1dev] Re: The tail end of milestone 1


The Disney thing turned me off at first too, but once you got past
that you could see the gameplay really carried the entire experience,
start to finish.  Then it just became an enhancer.

On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Kent Petersen <kentkmp@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I didn't like kingdom hearts. Never got into it. I tried to play through the
> game quite a few times but I was never able to log enough time to beat Alice
> and Wonderland. To me, there was nothing extra special about the game. It
> was just another RPG with Disney characters
>
> On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Matthew Freeland <mattthefiend@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, Kingdom hearts was a great game. Except for all the quick-time
>> events. I would really like to make something like that. Especially one that
>> is all encompassing of the RPG types and genres with plenty of homage to the
>> old school SNES games, I think that is a nice delivery method. If we could
>> do something that it would be amazing.
>>
>> On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 10:19 AM, eric drewes <figarus@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>> i really loved the atmosphere of kingdom hearts, i think thats what set
>>> it apart from other games for me... definitely want to capture that magic in
>>> our game :)
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Chris Riccobono <crysalim@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It was really innovative, each world was almost a game by itself
>>>> (introduced a new playing mechanic in each world or something.. and
>>>> that would help you get through the world)
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > Hey, how did kingdom hearts work?
>>>> >
>>>> > On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 8:19 AM, Chris Riccobono <crysalim@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The way things are sounding, having a world system like Kingdom
>>>> >> Hearts
>>>> >> would allow for a lot of the cool ideas everyone is suggesting.  I
>>>> >> think the way they tackled the game was creating a very immersive
>>>> >> overall story, and then figured out ways to tie in the individual
>>>> >> worlds.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Basically to use Eric's analogy, you draw the background of the
>>>> >> canvas
>>>> >> first, and then fill it in with the foreground pieces.  Background
>>>> >> would be the linear overall story, and the foreground would be the
>>>> >> individual worlds (such as where the cave would go)
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Matthew Freeland
>>>> >> <mattthefiend@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> >> > We can only have a monster dance party if someone has a MAGICAL
>>>> >> > ZOMBRERO
>>>> >> > on
>>>> >> > their costume.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > That is all.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 1:19 PM, eric drewes <figarus@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> >> > wrote:
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> theres a lot of neat ideas we had on that old forum, i keep
>>>> >> >> forgetting
>>>> >> >> to
>>>> >> >> check there but the wolf man idea reminded me
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> >> >> wrote:
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> oh awesome eric
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> maybe you could train your sidekicks too (thinkin it might be an
>>>> >> >>> application for that machine learnin stuff!)
>>>> >> >>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 1:15 PM, eric drewes <figarus@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> >> >>> wrote:
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>> haha yeah, like i picture the area being filled with laid back
>>>> >> >>>> pretty
>>>> >> >>>> cool undead dudes.
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>> hey for ooze (werewolf stuff) idea info:
>>>> >> >>>> http://atma.demofox.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=12
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Alan Wolfe
>>>> >> >>>> <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> >> >>>> wrote:
>>>> >> >>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>> hey eric, we should do a joke too (like maybe it's part of this
>>>> >> >>>>> party)
>>>> >> >>>>> about like, what all the monsters do when no one is lookin...
>>>> >> >>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>> like skeletons jokin and smokin and they are like "oh crap here
>>>> >> >>>>> come
>>>> >> >>>>> some adventurers" toss their cigs into the fire and start
>>>> >> >>>>> grunting
>>>> >> >>>>> hehe
>>>> >> >>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 1:12 PM, Alan Wolfe
>>>> >> >>>>> <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> >> >>>>> wrote:
>>>> >> >>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>> okies (:
>>>> >> >>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 1:07 PM, eric drewes
>>>> >> >>>>>> <figarus@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> >> >>>>>> wrote:
>>>> >> >>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>> i think the idea with the costume sounds funny where you
>>>> >> >>>>>>> crash a
>>>> >> >>>>>>> bizarre monster party or soemthing, we can work that in - why
>>>> >> >>>>>>> not?
>>>> >> >>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 4:04 PM, Alan Wolfe
>>>> >> >>>>>>> <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> >> >>>>>>> wrote:
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>> yeah it kinda would (:
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>> hey eric since we are going more linear storyline now, does
>>>> >> >>>>>>>> that
>>>> >> >>>>>>>> mean choices you make aren't going to affect the storyline
>>>> >> >>>>>>>> so
>>>> >> >>>>>>>> much?  (i'm
>>>> >> >>>>>>>> assuming that they won't)
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>> And how much leeway do we have for optional things like
>>>> >> >>>>>>>> becoming
>>>> >> >>>>>>>> a
>>>> >> >>>>>>>> wearwolf and stuff like that, besides just as part of a
>>>> >> >>>>>>>> sandboxed
>>>> >> >>>>>>>> area -
>>>> >> >>>>>>>> like a quest where you can become a warewolf temporarily and
>>>> >> >>>>>>>> are
>>>> >> >>>>>>>> limited
>>>> >> >>>>>>>> where you can go, then later on youre cured and let out - er
>>>> >> >>>>>>>> yeah, like
>>>> >> >>>>>>>> beyond that would we let them just be a warewolf for the
>>>> >> >>>>>>>> rest of
>>>> >> >>>>>>>> the game?
>>>> >> >>>>>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Kent Petersen
>>>> >> >>>>>>>> <kentkmp@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> It would be pretty cool if you could somehow become a
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> were-creature
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> or undead as well
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> I hope to see dracula drop his ice cream some day =P
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Alan Wolfe
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> and explanation for everyone else...
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> previously before i got a job makin games, me and kent
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> were
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> makin
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> a side scrolling game where you played as megaman.
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> the "main boss" was dracula from one of the castlevania
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> games
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> hehe
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> we wanted to have a cut scene where he was eating his ice
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> cream
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> and it like, fell on the floor or something and he got sad
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> yeah... hahah
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 12:50 PM, Alan Wolfe
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> lol about dracula eating ice cream
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> this might be a really gay idea (and i dont mean in the
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> olde
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> english way haha) but...
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> back when we were thinking more of an open world, i was
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> thinking
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> it would be rad if there was like, a monster party w/
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> vampires
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> warewolves and skeletons and stuff.
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> if you went in there as something like that it'd be a
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> chill
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> palce
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> to hang out and stuff
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> but if you went in there as a normal dude or a paladin or
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> something they'd rip you up
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> if something at all fits like that in our game (maybe you
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> wear a costume or maybe if you go in with someone undead
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> your party they
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> are cool to you) we could have dracula eating ice cream
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> there
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> maybe lol
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 12:44 PM, eric drewes
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> <figarus@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> definitely lots or weird hidden mini things everywhere!
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Kent Petersen
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> <kentkmp@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Speaking of that are we going to have weird hidden mini
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> bonuses?
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Alan, you still owe me dracula eating ice cream!
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Alan Wolfe
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> lol that's awesome (:
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> are you thinking of using billboarded sprites for all
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> art
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> or something?
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 12:35 PM, eric drewes
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <figarus@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> secretly, wurmz and i are planning a mini level where
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thrown into a land w/ pixel art and 8 bit music, etc.
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dont tell alan
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shhhh
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 3:20 PM, Nick Klotz
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <roracsenshi@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree; 8-bit is awesome.
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 1:39 PM, Chris Sherman
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <cshermandesign@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think we should make an epic game that roxors in
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> graphic and coding department but the sound is all
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8bit
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> old school!!!! Sorry
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had a lot of sugar for lunch :p
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my BlackBerry
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>________________________________
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: figarus@xxxxxxxxx
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 18:33:34 +0000
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: <project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [project1dev] Re: The tail end of
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> milestone 1
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not just games... When you paint a picture, you
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> focus on the nose till its perfect then move onto
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eyes. We'll build the
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> structure of the game first but it'll take 2 or 3
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coats
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of paint before its
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done. Even while the milestone 1 is "done" - it
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> likely be drastically
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> altered visually and mechanically (sound etc) by
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time the game is ready
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for release.
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Baby steps :)
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>________________________________
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Alan Wolfe
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 11:11:24 -0700
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: <project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [project1dev] Re: The tail end of
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> milestone 1
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> oh and yeah, hopefully sound will be coming in
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> either
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> milestone or next (depending on what we have time
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for!)
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another thing about the milestones is we want to
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> balance
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the amount of tech work needed and the amount of
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> art
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work needed so that one
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> side isn't waiting on the other too much.
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like if the cave is prettied up 100% but there's no
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sound,
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you artists shouldnt have to wait while i code in
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sound
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support.
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You could move onto the next milestone but keeping
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> focused on the same area and keeping us all on the
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> page (at least for
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now in the beginning while we are still hammering
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out) is worth more
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than being fully feature complete right away.
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is a pretty common thing for games too
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Like, games work towards alpha while making their
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> content
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (maps, art, etc).
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alpha means the game is fully playable from start
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> finish.
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Beta means that it's feature complete (note that it
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> isnt
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feature complete until AFTER it's fully playable)
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then from beta to release, it's just bug fixes and
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> final
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spit and pollish (:
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Alan Wolfe
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah exactly
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we don't want to sit around in one area and wait
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> entire game to be fleshed out, or we'd be waiting
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forever and be stuck on
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this cave for months and months and months longer
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meanwhile have nothing
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else done.
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The purpose of the milestones is to break up
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> creating
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> game into bitesized chunks that get us closer and
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> closer to a full
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> featureset and a full game.
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We'll come back to it, but it's served it's
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> purpose for
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now and is like 90% of the way there so as soon as
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have more of a game
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> world we can hook it in and finish it up (:
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Kent Petersen
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <kentkmp@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I believe adding sound is a large task. We will
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> revisit
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the cave later once we know where it will fit
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into the
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> world and we will be
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> able to add in all the new features we have
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> created
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then.
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Matthew
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Freeland
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mattthefiend@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By the way I Think an important thing to work on
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sound milestones before we move away from the
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mine.
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just a thought.
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:00 AM, Alan Wolfe
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh and Eric wants to do #5, and i will do #4 if
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else wants to (but feel free if you want to!!).
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And i'll be doin #6 for sure.
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not sure how the rest of it falls! (:
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 8:40 AM, Alan Wolfe
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Everyone,
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This first milestone working on the cave has
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worked
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out a lot of issues with workflow and gotten
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us a
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> basic set of features
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (enemy pathing, AI and a basic level editor)
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> preformance upgrades.
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> These were some of the main goals of this
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> milestone so mission accomplished!
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since we don't know where exactly this cave is
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to fit in with the rest of the world, Eric was
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking it would be best
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (even for the sake of sanity because we've
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> working on this area for so
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long) to forgo to pollish phase of this map
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leave it at about 90%
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> finished until we do know the details of where
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going in the world and
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can finish it up then, and I agree that is a
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idea.
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here's the things he identified as wanting to
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> finish
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up before we move on:
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #1) Put the new boss art in
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #2) Animate the dog men
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #3) Replace the stationary miner art
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #4) Finish decorating the cave with the props
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (and any that anyone is working on)
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #5) Do a lighting pass
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #6) I want to do an optimization pass for the
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> models
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cause i think a few models we can reduce the
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> number
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of verts without losing
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any major visual quality (and i'll run the
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simplified models by everyone
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before i check them in to make sure I don't
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ugly
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things up too much).  This
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should boost overall performance which will
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> let us
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> place more objects while
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maintaining higher frame rates.
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anything else that anyone really wants to get
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in or
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does that sound ok to everyone?
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are some known issues that we are just
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leave for now (unless they are quick fixes and
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone wants to tackle any!),
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that we'll deal with when we come back to the
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cave
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> later on:
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * the boss is too tall and clips through the
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bridge
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (might be fixed with new art but maybe not)
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * you can walk around and through the rocks
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> caved
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * theres places in the map you can still fall
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> through
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ground into infinity
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * there's a few places where z fighting still
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happens
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Others: we haven't gone through a QA pass or
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> play
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tested it to find the bugs we don't know
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about.
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eric and I are finalizing the details of the
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2nd
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> milestone to make sure it makes sense from
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> both a
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> creative and technical POV
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the details will be released by the end of
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> week.
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Great job everyone, we are really kicking ass
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is shaping up to be a great team! (:
>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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