[opendtv] Re: STB hunting
- From: Ron Economos <k6mpg@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 14:40:11 -0800
I can tell the group that the company I work for (LSI Logic)
is serious about adding ATSC tuner support to our line
of DVD recorder chips. At CES, we were decoding local
Las Vegas DTV stations. Expect ATSC (and IEEE1394
from cable boxes) DVD recorders on the shelf before the
deadline.
http://www.lsilogic.com/products/recorder_dvd_dvr_dtr/dmn_8633.html
http://www.lsilogic.com/products/recorder_dvd_dvr_dtr/dmn_8683.html
Right now, we're trying to build an ATSC Transport Stream
archive from as many DTV stations across the country as we
can.
Ron
Mark Schubin wrote:
>Manfredi, Albert E wrote:
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>>The FCC receiver mandate still holds,
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>To whatever extent it is holding. There are clear violations of the
>mandate, but there are no penalties. As best I can tell, there are not
>even wrist-slapping letters.
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>>has been set at March
>>2007 for all TV sets and recording devices, and these built
>>in receivers are reportedly of good quality.
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>The ones in the 36-inch-and-up category.
>
>This past weekend, I noted the following ads for TVs and recording
>devices, all under $100:
> - Radio Shack 2.3-inch LCD TV @ Radio Shack $59.99
> - Mystery brand GTV5055 5-inch TV @ Conn's $14.97
> - PocketVision LCD-511 5-inch LCD TV @ Radio Shack $99.99
> - Konka 13-inch TV @ Universal $45
> - Mystery brand CTGV4563TCT 13-inch TV @ Conn's $59.99
> - Toshiba 13A25 13-inch TV @ Conn's $79.97
> - Advent Q1435A 14-inch flat-tube TV @ Circuit City $87.99
> - Konka 19-inch TV @ Universal $59
> - Sansui TWM1916 19-inch TV @ Royal $68
> - Toshiba 19A24/25 19-inch TV @ Best Buy $99.99
> - RCA 25-inch TV @ Royal $98
> - Sansui VCR @ Universal $22
> - Sansui S35EV VCR @ Royal $29.99
> - Sansui DVD/VCR combo @ Universal $44
> - GoVideo DV2150 DVD/VCR combo @ Royal $59
> - Insignia IS-DVD040924 DVD/VCR combo @ Best Buy $75.99
> - Philips DVP3050V DVD/VCR combo @ Target $78
> - Samsung DVDV5500 DVD/VCR combo @ Circuit City $79.99
> - Samsung DVDV5500 DVD/VCR combo @ Conn's $94.97
>
>I wonder how much they will cost on March 2, 2007 -- or if they'll
>simply stop being sold.
>
>TTFN,
>Mark
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>>So that would
>>certainly contradict any notion the government is secretly
>>trying to kill off OTA. They could have said "let the market
>>decide," which is what they do when truly not interested
>>(e.g. analog stereo AM radio). *That's* the kiss of death.
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>>>Why else have none of the manufacturers spent much effort
>>>developing and *marketing* OTA STBs like they are in the
>>>rest of the world?
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>>I think there are more credible reasons. For example, since
>>broadcasters are spending no effort to make their digital
>>tier particularly attractive, e.g. by offering some added
>>programs that would encourage people to buy into DTT, the
>>vendors are waiting for the analog cutoff date to make STBs.
>>After all, they do have to build in receivers into 100
>>percent of their TV sets anyway, well before any analog
>>cutoff date, so what's the rush?
>>
>>Imagine what would happen if broadcasters made it so people
>>would rush to stores to get DTT reception. You know, offer
>>something interesting over their new subchannels. There are
>>so many possibilities.
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>>>Why is DTV mostly advertised as available over satellite
>>>and cable? Why don't any of the sales people at the
>>>consumer electronics stores know you can receive DTV OTA?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Because they're stupid? The guy I talked to at Circuit City
>>seemed to know. So while this is the impression one gets,
>>it's not necessarily 100 percent true. Retail clerks in all
>>industries have a special way of being clueless.
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>>>And why [aside from trying to save it's inventor/patent
>>>owner Zenith, the last U.S. consumer electronics mfgr. at
>>>the time] was 8VSB chosen over what the rest of the world
>>>is using, COFDM,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Or Ibiquity over DAB/DRM, or NTSC over PAL, or MediaFlo
>>over DVB-H, or 115 V 60 Hz over 220 V 50 Hz, or English
>>measuring standards over the metric system, or CDMA over
>>GSM, or .....
>>
>>The US likes to do its own thing. This one is not a big deal.
>>A simple change of *one* component, the demod, makes a DVB-T
>>box into an ATSC box. Big whoop. Besides which, it's not all
>>bad. I've already reported that I seem to get solid
>>reception whenever the SNR stays above 15.1 dB or so. This is
>>very, very repeatable. Compare that with COFDM. Not all bad.
>>
>>Bert
>>
>>
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