[modeleng] Re: Parts prices
- From: Jesse <fernj1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: modeleng@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 11:36:56 -0500
On 9/24/2012 4:30 PM, Ken Strauss wrote:
> I'm on your side of the pond (north shore of Lake Ontario).
Ken, you got any room for expatriates up there? Anyway, my Audel's
manual tells quite a bit about Mr. Monecky and says it refuses to call
such a valuable tool a "Monkey Wrench". Mr Monecky lived in Brooklyn,
NY or at least that is where he is buried. The Audel's gives the date of
his death but I don't remember much else from the paragraph denouncing
the use of "Monkey Wrench".
I have gotten a lot of valuable steam engineering information from that
series of books. One interesting tidbit is how to make a duplex pump
run properly. Anyone who has ever built one of those little jewels
usually has problems getting them to run slow. They short stroke most
times, but if a little bit of "lost motion" is done to the "D" valves,
the thing will run as slow as wanted. I think I put about .040" slack
on the valve rod for my three 1-1/2" scale pumps and I can get them to
run as slowly as desired. If pumping water, I can close off the
discharge line almost completely and the pump will run at a creep. I
have one on my 2-1/2" Shay as a boiler feed pump and once you set it, it
will keep the boiler full.
Jesse in the wee little town of Troy, TN.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: modeleng-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:modeleng-
>> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jesse
>> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 5:12 PM
>> To: modeleng@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [modeleng] Re: Parts prices
>>
>> On 9/24/2012 3:46 PM, Ken Strauss wrote:
>> Ken, you wins the seegar even though you left out one letter in Mr.
>> Mon_e_cky's name .You must have a copy of the same Audels' Manual that I
>> have.
>> Adjustable open wrenches are all called Crescent Wrenches over here in the
>> American colony probably because the first ones were made by the Crescent
>> Tool company . Never heard one called a "shifter". Spanners usually have
> a
>> large opening with either a lug on the ends of the jaws or else steel
> pins,
>> depending on how it is to be used. I have seen a spanner or two in which
> one
>> leg could pivot so it would fit more than one size packing gland or
> whatever.
>>> You're probably going to tell some story about "Charles Moncky"...
>>>
>>> I thought that an adjustable open end wrench was commonly called a
>> "shifter"
>>> across the pond. I believe that a "spanner" is a fixed jaw open end
> wrench.
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: modeleng-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:modeleng-
>>>> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jesse
>>>> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 4:09 PM
>>>> To: modeleng@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [modeleng] Re: Parts prices
>>>>
>>>> Barry,
>>>> That I can understand as I have a turret (capstan) where my tailstock
>>> normally
>>>> goes, but I do a lot of work that requires the turret which has
>>>> 6 stations so the tailstock sits on the floor. Currently, the box
>>>> tool, a
>>> threading
>>>> die and a couple of drill chucks are mounted on the turret.
>>>> Sometimes there is also a center cut end mill to allow facing of the
>>>> work
>>> and a
>>>> center drill in another chuck.
>>>> Funny how two nations with the same language call items by different
>>> terms. A
>>>> few years ago I had a problem with "linisher" which is belt sander
>>>> over
>>> here.
>>>> Ah well, we will soon be building weapons to slow down the Taliban
>>>> and I suppose I will have to make some sort of spear thrower or
> something.
>>>> Several years ago I had one of our loggers ask me where the "chuck"
>>>> for
>>> the
>>>> drill press was. I pointed out to him that it was in plain sight on
>>>> the
>>> drill press,
>>>> but he still couldn't see it. It turned out that he called the chuck
>>>> key a
>>> "chuck"
>>>> and it had fallen to the floor where he didn't see it. Loggers is
>>>> big
>>> tough blokes,
>>>> but sometimes have funny names for tools. Over here every adjustable
>>>> open end spanner (wrench) is called a "Crescent wrench", I suppose
>>>> because the
>>> first
>>>> ones were made by Crescent Tool Company. Spanners are usually forked
>>> tools
>>>> (Y
>>>> shaped) with pins that fit into notches or holes on steam packing
>>>> glands
>>> and the
>>>> like. Little delicate adjustable spanners are used to unscrew the
>>>> back of
>>> wrist
>>>> watches.
>>>>
>>>> This brings to the so called "Monkey Wrench". Now how many of you
>>>> gents know where that name came from?? When I started work as a
>>>> machinist apprentice at the railroad in 1953, I was issued a ball
>>>> peen hammer, a flashlight, a 10" Mill Bastard File, and was supposed
>>>> to get a "Monkey
>>> Wrench",
>>>> but didn't. I still have the flashlight and it works as well as it
>>>> did 60
>>> years ago
>>>> though the reflector has darkened considerably. I have a couple of
>>>> "Monkey Wrenches" just as curiosities.
>>>> Now, who is going to get the cigar for explaining where Monkey
>>>> Wrenches
>>> got
>>>> their name?? Alan, Tel, Clif, Al Messy????? Only reason I know is
>>>> because
>>> I
>>>> accidentally saw it in my 1921 Audel's Mechanic's Manual.
>>>>> Jesse,
>>>>>
>>>>> I think that the terminology in the U.S. is "Turret lathe". They
>>>>> were the original "mass production" lathe.
>>>>>
>>>>> The capstan is a device sat on the cross slide of the lathe which
>>>>> indexes round every time the cross slide is wound to the right. The
>>>>> capstan is pivoted on a vertical axis and contains a number of tools
>>>>> (usually 6) located radially.
>>>>>
>>>>> Almost every bit of film showing factory work during WW2 shows
>>>>> Capstan lathes at work.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Barrie
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Jesse" <fernj1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: <modeleng@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 4:56 PM
>>>>> Subject: [modeleng] Re: Parts prices
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Well well, the roller box is very similar to my homemade box tool,
>>>>>> but of course much nicer. Both accomplish the same thing. No
>>>>>> rollers in my box tool though. I just use brass bushings that fit
>>>>>> the stock material which is mostly 5/16" or 1/4" in dia.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Still nothing on a capstan lathe. Is this a type of lathe that is
>>>>>> installed on a sailing ship capstan????
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jesse the curious one in Troy Tennessee
>>>>>>> It's one of these:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.tangi-flow.com/rollerboxes.php
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alan
>>>>>>> On 24/09/2012 01:02, AC Messer wrote:
>>>>>>>> I am familiar with a capstan lathe but I too am iterested as to
>>>>>>>> what is a "roller box".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Al Messer
>>>>>>>>
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