[lit-ideas] Re: U.N. Special Committee on Palestine

  • From: "Stan Spiegel" <writeforu2@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 12:37:05 -0400

Omar says: 

What should be seen as 'Israel', the IDF or the government,
is a difficult question.

Omar writes
"If you mean Hizbollah, I don't consider it a terrorist organization."

Omar seems to be going unchallenged lately. The long well-documented responses that Lawrence has been writing are not very effective with Omar because, like Irene, he doesn't read more than the first paragraph.

Letting him say such questionable things without challenging him makes him think we agree with him. Imagine saying Hezbollah's not a terorist organization? Imagine saying it's difficult to say who represents Israel -- the military or the government? Israel, like the USA, is a democratic state. The military doesn't represent Israel any more than it does America. But saying that -- unchallenged -- makes the more naive among us think Israel is just a banana republic. It isn't.

And everything Omar says -- since he's clearly identified himself as anti-Israel and anti-semitic -- needs to be scrutinized. He's very intelligent -- and writes intelligently. And that makes what he says seem so reasonable. But, after all, it's only reasonable if you only pay attention to the tone of voice, not the substance.

Stan Spiegel
Portland, ME






----- Original Message ----- From: "Omar Kusturica" <omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 2:35 PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: U.N. Special Committee on Palestine



The IDF on middle to top levels has great freedom of
action, especially in times like these and with a new
government that has little military credentials and
experience. (That, too, is similar to the Kfar Qana
incident in 1996 under Shimon Peres' government.) What
should be seen as 'Israel', the IDF or the government,
is a difficult question.

O.K.


--- Judith Evans <judithevans1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Using the "by the preponderance of the evidence"
standard I do
> believe that the UN peacekeepers were deliberately
targeted,
but
> I doubt that the decision was made at the highest
levels of the
> Israeli government

I too think -- using the same standard as you --
that the firings
and
bombings were deliberate.  My problem with Carol's
question lies
-- as I think it does for you -- in "(did) Israel
intentionally
(target)"
as opposed to "were the shots fired and the bombs
dropped
deliberately".

Judy Evans, Cardiff, UK
----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter D. Junger"
<junger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 3:49 PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: U.N. Special Committee on
Palestine


> Carol Kirschenbaum writes:
>
> : I, for one, wonder if anyone on this list
believes that
Israel
> : intentionally targeted those UN peacekeepers.
>
> Using the "by the preponderance of the evidence"
standard I do
> believe that the UN peacekeepers were deliberately
targeted,
but
> I doubt that the decision was made at the highest
levels of the
> Israeli government.  Uing the same standard I also
believe that
> the bombing of the USS Liberty was deliverate.
>
> --
>

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