[lit-ideas] Re: U.N. Special Committee on Palestine
- From: "Judith Evans" <judithevans1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:56:15 +0100
Oh sorry, I put a ** in the post then didn't put another...
that was something to do with 1947/8, I admit I'm so hot, I can't
remember what it was
Judy
----- Original Message -----
From: Judith Evans
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 1:28 PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: U.N. Special Committee on Palestine
Carol, you've anticipated my post! -- in part. (I've been lolling around
drinking
cappucinos, though "lolling" isn't really accurate given I was
reading the news sections of the papers, all, dire)
ck>Why, then, is it so unbearable that Israel keep the land it was
ck>awarded (a la European tradition) and fought for? It makes no
ck>sense that there's an exception for Israel. It conquered the land.
ck>That should be enough
This is where I diverge slightly from you -- I think; my disagreement may
turn on phrasing, not on substance. What concerns me is not
that Israelis live on territory once held by others and indeed in
property once held by others (pre 1947/8?)**, but that people and
peoples everywhere are displaced and prevented from returning,
without adequate compensation for their loss (cf various national
minorities in the USSR, as it then was, and various peoples
kicked around by the British). I add that Israel is different -- though
not unique -- in that as you say, it was afforded the land by the UN.
Judy Evans, Cardiff, UK
----- Original Message -----
From: Carol Kirschenbaum
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 1:08 PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: U.N. Special Committee on Palestine
Andyrene wrote in response to Stan:
>Can it be that maybe you don't think someone has the right to throw
>someone out of their house and move in and leave the homeowner >homeless?
ck: You don't read very widely, apparently. This kind of thing happens
quite often. Exorbitant taxes have forced Native Hawaiians off their beachfront
property--owned by their ohanas for centuries--on Oahu, and currently on Maui.
That's one way of displacing a people. Loads of examples. Just in North
America, the US appropriate chunks of Mexico, along with Native American lands,
after winning battles. (And losing some, too.) In Europe, countries invaded
each other for two millenia. Took the land, threw the former inhabitants off,
or enslaved them. Et cetera. Everywhere on earth, it's been the same story:
fight, conquer, settle the land for yourself, and the losers are lucky if
they're not killed off.
Why, then, is it so unbearable that Israel keep the land it was awarded
(a la European tradition) and fought for? It makes no sense that there's an
exception for Israel. It conquered the land. That should be enough. But
Israelis are Jews, and the world has separate rules for Jews. It's called
anti-Semitism.
Carol
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