[lit-ideas] Re: U.N. Special Committee on Palestine
- From: "Lawrence Helm" <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 09:44:09 -0700
I don't know why you bothered posting this, Simon. You could go to any
nation in the world and find a small percentage of weirdos. Even today you
can find in Israel a small percentage of Jews, much like the American
Leftists, who side with the enemy. We can but puzzle over such phenomena.
It is very different from national policy. Certain nations after WWII had
policies that favored the Nazis. You can tell that by noting where the Nazi
hunters such as Simon Wiesenthal went to looking for Nazis after WWII. They
went to such places as Egypt and Syria. Had the Arabs been successful in
their attempt to drive the Jews into the sea in 1948, the Nazi Hunters,
perhaps based in New York, would, I have no doubt, have searched out Nazis
in Palestine as well.
Lawrence
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Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: U.N. Special Committee on Palestine
"...one needs to remember that there was a good deal of support for the Nazi
cause in Palestine prior to and during WWII."
And not just from the Palestinians.
'In 1940 and 1941, Lehi proposed intervening in the Second World War on the
side of Nazi <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Germany> Germany to attain
their help in expelling Britain from Mandate Palestine and to offer their
assistance in "evacuating" the Jews of Europe arguing that "common interests
could exist between the establishment of a new order in Europe in conformity
with the German concept, and the true national aspirations of the Jewish
people as they are embodied by the NMO (Lehi)." Late in 1940, Lehi
representative Naftali Lubenchik
<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Naftali_Lubenchik&action=edit>
was sent to Beirut <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beirut> where he met the
German official Werner Otto von Hentig
<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Werner_Otto_von_Hentig&action=edi
t> and delivered a letter from Lehi offering to "actively take part in the
war on Germany's side" in return for German support for "the establishment
of the historic Jewish state". Von Hentig forwarded the letter to the German
embassy in Ankara <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ankara> , but there is no
record of any official response. Lehi tried to establish contact with the
Germans again in December 1941, also apparently without success.'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_%28group%29
Simon
----- Original Message -----
From: Lawrence <mailto:lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Helm
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 3:46 PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: U.N. Special Committee on Palestine
Irene begins a response by saying Selbourne's overview is balanced and then
goes on in the rest of her note as though she hadn't read it. Omar declares
it false and historically inaccurate without reading it -- very interesting.
If there was any "stealing" or "conquering" being attempted in the 1947-49
period, it was the stealing and conquering attempted by the armies that
invaded the land allotted by the UN to the Jews. A legal (as much as
anything could be legal) partition had taken place by the UN and then the
invading armies, Egypt, Syria, TransJordan, and Lebanon, supported by the
Palestinians, attempted to "steal" and "conquer" it in defiance of the UN.
Israel's action during that period could only be described as "defense."
Selbourne refers to the UN being overgenerous to the Jews in the partition,
but one needs to remember that there was a good deal of support for the Nazi
cause in Palestine prior to and during WWII. The UN was formed by the
victors, the anti-Nazi victors, after WWII and they were not inclined to be
overly generous to the sympathizers of the defeated enemy. Prior to and
during WWII, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini provided
"enthusiastic support" . . . "not only for the Palestinian national cause
but for Hitler's Germany. He spent part of the war years in Nazi Berlin,
where a 'pan-Arab government' in exile was formed, a forerunner of the
Nasserite Pan-Arabism of the postwar years. 'Slaughter the Jews wherever
you find them', al-Husseini declared in a broadcast from Berlin in 1942,
'their spilled blood pleases Allah'. The widespread denial in the Arab and
Muslim world of the scale, and sometimes even of the fact, of the Holocaust
ties the knot of odium between Jew and Arab still tighter. So too does the
record of the asylum given in Arab countries, such as Syria and Egypt to
German Nazis, as well as to several leading post-war neo-Nazi 'revisionists'
who fled persecution at home." [Selbourne pp 181-182]
Lawrence
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