[lit-ideas] Re: U.N. Special Committee on Palestine
- From: "Andy Amago" <aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:52:26 -0400
Lawrence, you're right, but I looked at the thing and even read parts of it,
enough (or obviously not enough) such that I thought it wasn't an evil vs.
saint perspective. I was encouraged by it thinking Lawrence had maybe seen
some middle ground. I was wrong. You still desperately want a clash of
civilizations, which is to say, war, and there's a lot of people who agree with
you. BTW, have you seen pictures of Lebanon lately? Where there was once a
civilization, the Paris of the Middle East some called it, there is now only
rubble. The human race is doomed, Lawrence. Let's have your WWIII and put
ourselves out of our misery. Maybe you'll get raptured in the process, unless
of course, you don't. God has played bigger tricks than that in the past.
----- Original Message -----
From: Lawrence Helm
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: 7/27/2006 12:19:57 PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: U.N. Special Committee on Palestine
Please don?t waste my time by pretending to respond to notes you don?t read,
Irene. You are displaying ignorance to an embarrassing degree.
Lawrence
From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Andy Amago
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 8:45 AM
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: U.N. Special Committee on Palestine
I said it was a bit balanced, and you're right, Lawrence, I didn't read it. I
told you, I stopped reading your stuff because it's always the same. I
concluded finally that you believe you're being raptured, that's why you're
pushing for war so badly. That's a personal opinion, a conclusion I've drawn
from the all the variations on a theme. Disagree if you'd like. I thought
with yesterday's post that maybe you were getting a bit more rational, but
apparently not. As far as the Arabs denying the Holocaust, this thing has
taken on a life of its own. The denial is inevitable at this point. How it
would have been if a country hadn't created on their turf by force, who knows?
But one thing is certain. There's reason to think the Allies did know about
the Holocaust while it was happening and did nothing about it, which of course
you don't believe. All this can be reversed, but not if they're evi l and
you're saintly.
----- Original Message -----
From: Lawrence Helm
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: 7/27/2006 10:47:04 AM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: U.N. Special Committee on Palestine
Irene begins a response by saying Selbournes overview is balanced and then
goes on in the rest of her note as though she hadnt read it. Omar declares it
false and historically inaccurate without reading it -- very interesting.
If there was any stealing or conquering being attempted in the 1947-49
period, it was the stealing and conquering attempted by the armies that invaded
the land allotted by the UN to the Jews. A legal (as much as anything could be
legal) partition had taken place by the UN and then the invading armies, Egypt,
Syria, TransJordan, and Lebanon, supported by the Palestinians, attempted to
steal and conquer it in defiance of the UN. Israels action during that
period could only be described as defense.
Selbourne refers to the UN being overgenerous to the Jews in the partition, but
one needs to remember that there was a good deal of support for the Nazi cause
in Palestine prior to and during WWII. The UN was formed by the victors, the
anti-Nazi victors, after WWII and they were not inclined to be overly generous
to the sympathizers of the defeated enemy. Prior to and during WWII, the Grand
Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini provided enthusiastic support . . .
not only for the Palestinian national cause but for Hitlers Germany. He
spent part of the war years in Nazi Berlin, where a pan-Arab government in
exile was formed, a forerunner of the Nasserite Pan-Arabism of the postwar
years. Slaughter the Jews wherever you find them, al-Husseini declared in a
broadcast from Berlin in 1942, their spilled blood pleases Allah. ; The
widespread denial in the Arab and Muslim world of the scale, and sometimes even
of the fact, of the Holocaust ties the knot of odium b
etween Jew and Arab still tighter. So too does the record of the asylum given
in Arab countries, such as Syria and Egypt to German Nazis, as well as to
several leading post-war neo-Nazi revisionists who fled persecution at home.
[Selbourne pp 181-182]
Lawrence
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