Steven, I recognised a long time ago that many if not most scientists always state a theory as though it were an axiomatic fact. They believe these theories with the very same blind faith of which they accuse the Christians. The matter of the movement or immobility of the planet Earth cannot be scientifically proven one way or the other. It is a matter of one faith versus another. By the way I used a misnomer. If the Earth is immobile, it cannot be a planet. On another line supporting my statement of the faith of the high priests of science. Not too long ago, genetic research ?established? that the Dinosaurs were not reptilian but in fact were mammals. I don't see any big rush to change all those big lizards in the museums into big kangaroos. Perhaps we may see a schism in the faith.After all many of their popular texts still talk of Piltdown Man as a TRUTH, a known and prooved hoax. Philip. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Jones" <stavro_jones@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 9:36 AM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Challenge Dear Mr. Griffin, You said regarding the Earth's movement: "It's not alleged. It's a demonstrated fact." The motion of the Earth has never been proven. If your so confident that it has, then all I ask of you is simply to cite just one example, which I shall refute with the minimum of effort. Kind Regards, Steven Jones. --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun!