Even if an alien landed on earth with a time-lapse video of the earth orbiting the sun, taken from a light-year away, you would find some reason to discount it! Alan. Dear Alan, I am sure you would want to withdraw that statement. Surely you would know that the Alien would have know way of establishing when or if he was immobile with respect to space when he took the video. Only God could do that. Philip. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Griffin" <ajg@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 8:42 PM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Challenge On 31 Jul, Steven Jones <stavro_jones@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Reply-To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Dear Mr. Griffin, > You said regarding the Earth's movement: > "It's not alleged. It's a demonstrated fact." you're > The motion of the Earth has never been proven. If your so confident that > it has, then all I ask of you is simply to cite just one example, which > I shall refute with the minimum of effort. I'm afraid this seems to be the attitude of all you geocentricists! You have totally closed minds. A scientist would say that he would consider the evidence and decide whether it supported, or did not support his beliefs. You however are determined that NOTHING will prove you wrong. Even if an alien landed on earth with a time-lapse video of the earth orbiting the sun, taken from a light-year away, you would find some reason to discount it! My brother's observations that the radial velocities of all stars vary by twice the speed of the earth during the year is ample proof that the earth moves. There is no way that this can be explained in any other way (except for the ludicrous theory which has no scientific backing that the stars go round the sun every 24 hours, and that the sun goes round the earth!) If this is what you believe, then tell me where the colossal forces which hold the stars in orbit originate, and how the stars can exceed the speed of light! I think it will need more than a minimum effort to refute my brother's observations! Alan Griffin