On 28 Jul, Knarr <knarrrj@xxxxxxx> wrote: > A first requirement, it seems to me, would be to explain the moon's > shadow during an eclipse. If this cannot be done by the heliocentrists > then to debate the causes of more distant objects is just a futile > exercise. (I think it would be futile in any case, but to each his > own.) It CAN be done by the heliocentrists! I have done it! Try drawing a scale diagram. I'm afraid that Neville's argument is flawed, and he has made a mistake. And what a ridiculous argument, postulating that red shifts change regularly because the speed of light changes regularly. You have absolutely no proof. It's an "Alice through the looking glass" conjecture. Alan Griffin