Hi Joanie, I work with a huge number of users who just want to produce braille. (Well there's a surprise!) Many just want to produce braille on 2 sizes of paper from the same embosser. Or perhaps they have 2 or more embossers with different sizes (usually widths) of paper. So, what they want is, in your words, is to "quickly select the embosser I do need, knowing that the paper width, characters per line, lines per page, etc. are already set up the way I want them." I do NOT want to have to teach them how to set up new Templates within hours or days of installing what is effectively in many cases, completely new software. Or to give you another analogy. You can set up some embossers like Index for example, with Setting A, B. Each can be for a different size of paper. But I DO NOT want to have to go to the embosser to select my paper size. I want to do it via DBT. George. -----Original Message----- From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Joanmarie Diggs Sent: 15 March 2005 22:08 To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Embosser setup woes Aha! Okay, I think I get it now. And that's why, in your response to Warren, you said to create multiple templates rather than multiple embosser configurations. Perhaps my fog is lifting. If so, allow me to play devil's advocate -- just for your consideration, not to be argumentative. What if there is no such thing as *most new documents*? What if I produce three categories of documents, and my work is divided equally among those three types. My options, as I understand them are: 1. 66% of the time, change the paper width, characters per line, lines per page, etc. 2. Create 3 templates, each of which is associated with a different document category. Choice 2 definitely seems preferable. But, hypothetically, let's say that sometimes I need to work with the Standard Literary Format, sometimes with Textbook Format, and still other times with BANA. Now I'm up to 9 templates. With SP1, I have 3 templates and select my template based on the styles and page numbering I need. Then, if the embosser I need is not the default embosser, I can quickly select the embosser I do need, knowing that the paper width, characters per line, lines per page, etc. are already set up the way I want them. If I were in this hypothetical situation, I would want to stick with SP1. Now this is the last I will say on this matter here because, at long last, Peter has gotten me to understand that what I was seeing was not a bug and thus this discussion belongs elsewhere. Thank you everyone for your patience. Joanie -----Original Message----- From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Peter Sullivan Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 4:33 PM To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Embosser setup woes Joanie, In response to your question, you've based it on a false premise. You cannot change the default form and characters per line *for one particular embosser* in Global, Embosser setup. What you can change there is the default form and characters per line *for most new documents*. The settings you get for your new documents aren't for "the last embosser you configured". The settings really are for the dialog as a whole. Joanie, you and others have also been very patient with me. I do understand that this doesn't work the way most people want and expect. So I'll keep tuned in. - Peter -----Original Message----- From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Joanmarie Diggs Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 4:21 PM To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Embosser setup woes Peter, you are certainly a man of extreme patience, and for that I am grateful. I understand now that: 1. It is intentional, and the rationale for the change 2. The Global Embosser Setup dialog works for the most part the same as the Document Embosser Setup. 3. Just because I use only narrow paper does not mean that I might not use wide later on I have admittedly played with emb.elt in the past, but two machines I am currently using have untouched emb.elt files. You asked: --- I'm not sure what you might be missing. Have you tried switching back from the Index Basic D to the Romeo? In this case, will SP1 switch back to the wide paper? --- I haven't tried that yet. What I just tried in SP2, however, was to start fresh, removing all embossers. I then added the Index and configured it as described in the previous message (narrow width, 32 chars per line). The Index is the default embosser, and any new document I create uses the Index with narrow paper and 32 chars per line. Not surprising. Then, I added the Romeo as described in the previous message (wide width paper, 40 chars per line). I want the Index to be the default so I selected that. ***Now*** Any new document that I create uses the Index, ***but*** with 40 characters per line and the wide width paper. Here is what I think I'm still missing: Why does changing the default form and characters per line of one embosser in the Global Embosser Set Up dialog box change the settings of all of your configured embossers so that any new document you create uses the settings of the last embosser you configured even if that is not the default embosser? Take care. 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