This all does seem daunting, but I can see the benefits of having my data separate from the O/S. As for the dual boot, I'm slowly moving away from that idea because of the size of my hdd. So, my partitioning might go over even easier. I am still interested in trying Win 7, though I don't think my other computer has the specs to run certain aspects of the O/S (i.e. Aero). Thanks for all the info and I will still be monitoring your conversations with G and saving them so as to have my own information compilation. ______________reply separator_________________ Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 11:57:45 -0400 From: Don <dsw32952@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: Partitioning I've got a brother-in-law that knows more about computers and networking by accident than I will ever know on purpose. His home computer is right out of the box, plugged in and put to work. No partitions, no dual boots, no relocating "stuff". I do all that for 2 or 3 reasons... 1) I can 2) I want to 3) I don't like all the junk on computers 4) I want to make it faster 5) I want to organize 6) I want to make backups and other recurring tasks as simple as possible 7) I want the computer to work like *I* want it to, not the way HP thinks I want it to. 8) I am a reckless maverick. When you understand why something is done and why it is done the way it is done it becomes easier and less daunting to accomplish. It also helps to have backups and OS install disks handy "just in case". Partitioning of a hard drive is done for different reasons. Amongst them is organizing data and providing a location for installing additional operating systems for dual or multiple boots. Multiple boots are used for various reasons also. Testing out a new operating system, testing new software in a separate OS, software compatibility, hardware compatibility and more. In your situation, I suspect the main purpose of partitioning and organizing is to conserve hard drive space so the dual boot operating systems will have enough space to live, work and grow. In the good old days (remember MS-DOS?) doing anything with a partition would destroy any existing data on a drive. Today, software can manipulate partitions without harming existing data. Manipulating a partition will not harm the data on that partition assuming you use the proper software to do it. Acronis Disk Director Suite and the disk management tool in XP and Vista are two examples of safe software to use. Of course, deleting or formatting a partition will destroy existing data. Operating systems and software must keep track of certain data in order to function correctly. Those that get "installed" use the registry. Portable operating systems, such as some Linux distros, and portable applications either hard code all this data so it can't be changed/relocated or use a file they write to the removable drive to keep track. Typically all this data is scattered all over "hell's half acre" which makes it difficult for humans to protect and backup. It can also impact system performance if it is all on a single physical drive since the drive would be looking all over the drive all at once and that takes time especially if you are doing two or three different things at once. If you have ever had to keep track of two or more kids while shopping at Walmart you'll understand how that can slow down performance. By relocating a lot of "stuff" off the OS drive or at least collecting it all in a separate partition you can make things faster for the computer and easier for yourself. Relocating this "stuff" requires you to tell the OS where you moved it to. If your wife/girlfriend/boyfriend/husband has ever put your things away where he/she thinks they belong instead of where YOU think they belong, you will appreciate the need to tell the OS where these things are moved to. Editing the registry to keep the OS informed is lmost as easy as editing your shopping list. Using TweakUI in XP or TweakVI in Vista makes this editing even easier. Of course, a badly done edit in the registry can be more damaging than in the shopping list, but a backup will protect you against such mistakes. Regedit in Xp or Vista will both backup and edit your registry. You can also use it to just poke around and explore to see what is there even if you don't know what everything means. Probably the most common thing to move is your personally created data such as letters, spreadsheets, pictures, music and movies. These are typically kept in a folder called Documents or My Documents or <username> Documents. Some people will also create additional folders to help organize their data. Relocation and organization is typically done to make them easier to find and backup. Other items that can be moved have already been discussed in this and other threads about partitioning, moving files and backing up. Since you are working on a laptop with a small hard drive your efforts may have limited benefits. I dualboot my laptop with XP Home MCE and Vista Premium. I use portable applications on an external drive and keep all of my data and downloads etc on the external drive also. In my Vista boot I have installed only my security suite and a slipstream utility (vLite). Everything else was put there by the recovery disk. On my XP boot I have a bit more installed but there is more room available since XP requires far less space on the drive. A lot of that will be removed once I am done with the desktop computers and shift primary use to them. I have not yet asked Gman, but I do *not* think it would be a good idea to use an external drive to hold your Program Files or your pagefile, but everything else we've talked about would probably be OK. In your situation I would suggest using a large thumbdrive or small external hard drive to relocate as much as possible. I would also use a thumbdrive to hold portable applications and switch to them as much as possible to preserve hard drive space and to minimize intrusion into the registry. Doing that should allow you to split your drive in half and dual boot so you can check out Win7. Once the public beta of Win7 expires I would uninstall it and return to a single partition. If you choose to buy Win7 and continue to dual boot I would suggest you purchase and install a much larger hard drive in your laptop. If all of my computers blew up tomorrow it would not be a disaster. Because the problems I've had with HP and their customer service has destroyed much of my enthusiasm for computing I probably would not replace or repair them. Instead I would simply have more time to enjoy reading books and watching TV. You might react differently. So be sure to have an up to date back up of all your data in a safe place. "Safe place" means an external drive of some sort that is not plugged into your computer or a CD/DVD clearly labeled as a backup and stored away from your computer. Gman will likely expound on many of my ideas above especially if I made any mistakes or over simplified anything. He and I stand by to provide what ever guidance and encouragement we have to share. He is especially good at step by step directions to accomplish a task. Now excuse me while I go calculate some more slightly reckless activities . . . :-)) Don --------------------------------------------------------------- Please remember to trim your replies (including this sentence and everything below it) and adjust the subject line as necessary. To subscribe, unsubscribe or modify your email settings: //www.freelists.org/webpage/pctechtalk OR To subscribe to the mailing list, send an email to pctechtalk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with "subscribe" in the Subject. To unsubscribe send email to pctechtalk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe" in the Subject. To access our Archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PCTechTalk/messages/ //www.freelists.org/archives/pctechtalk/ To contact only the PCTT Mod Squad, write to: pctechtalk-moderators@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To join our separate PCTableTalk off-topic group, send a blank email to: pctabletalk+subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ---------------------------------------------------------------