[tcb] Re: I'm stumped - '59 won't start, stay running...

  • From: Cari Smith <cariandpaul@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 17:17:25 -0500

Just don't use an empty beer bottle to pump fuel into .... bad things.

On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 2:49 PM, James Dwan <james_dwan_2000@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:

> Oh I member. So if it pumps gas at all it works but how can you tell if it
> works well enough?
>
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> *From:* chuck <sukchew@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> *To:* tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 26, 2011 12:57 PM
>
> *Subject:* [tcb] Re: I'm stumped - '59 won't start, stay running...
>
>  The fuel pump can be tested while cranking.(not starting).Attach a hose
> to the fuel pump outlet to a bottle.Crank the engine over a few times then
> check the bottle for fuel.Make sure the coil wire is disconnected at the
> coil.It has already been determined that you have spark,member the skin
> test?
> oleblue
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* James Dwan <james_dwan_2000@xxxxxxxxx>
> *To:* tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 26, 2011 9:08 AM
> *Subject:* [tcb] Re: I'm stumped - '59 won't start, stay running...
>
>  It's possible but the carb has only 400 miles on it. I am thinking fuel
> pump but I suppose it's possible.  Problem is I can't get it started to
> really check the fuel pump
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> *From:* Gary Alexander <garypalexander@xxxxxxxxx>
> *To:* tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 25, 2011 9:09 PM
> *Subject:* [tcb] Re: I'm stumped - '59 won't start, stay running...
>
>  Sounds like a possible stuck needle valve not allowing the fuel bowl to
> fill up as you drive, since it conks out after 5 minutes or so. then
> refires.
> Is it a 30/31PICT Carb? There pretty straightforward to mess with.
> I'm thinking that or fuel pressure issues.
> I will say the BEST diagnostic tool to have is a fuel pressure tester to
> check the fuel pump pressure bteween pump and carb inlet.  Just about any
> fuel pump you get 'new' today is pushing way past 3lbs...
> Needs to be between 2 to 3lbs,no more or you'll blow fuel past the needle
> valve and truly have hard start issues with fuel being forced all over the
> place.
> Any FLAP can order one, just run a tee in it and plug it in between pump
> and carb.
>
> I'm gonna bet fuel pressure might be your issue, but get a carb rebuild
> kit, cheap and easy to do as well.
> Sounds like your ignition systemhas all been worked over well.
> Now one thing I have seen before, its crazy, but a coil can get super hot
> and cause issues to after a brief period of running. Have you swapped out
> coils? Just another idea...Make sure you get the coil with the internal
> resistor as well.
>
> best of luck.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 11:02 AM, chuck <sukchew@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
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> do you know that you have spark at the end of the plug wire? if there is
> nothing there we should start on the electrical.From what you discribed it
> sounds like the electrics are okay.It's not likely that you have electrical
> problem because it will run for awhile before stalling.The hard restarts
> could easyly be a fuel problem.
> oleblue
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* James Dwan <james_dwan_2000@xxxxxxxxx>
> *To:* tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 25, 2011 10:38 AM
> *Subject:* [tcb] Re: I'm stumped - '59 won't start, stay running...
>
>  Thanks Chuck, I did remove the fuel pump to measure the piston and did
> not notice anything odd but then again I didn't know what I was looking at -
> I have been the happy care free owner of a late model FI set up for 18 years
> and am like a caveman lawyer when it comes to early carb'd single ports...
>
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> *From:* chuck <sukchew@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> *To:* tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 25, 2011 10:11 AM
> *Subject:* [tcb] Re: I'm stumped - '59 won't start, stay running...
>
>  Okay. Be sure and check the fuel pump flange.(The little bakelite thingy
> under the pump)The push rod should move freely.Some of the bakelite flanges
> would react with the oil sweel up and sieze the fuel pump push rod.That
> probably is okay but it still needs to be checked.Also check the pin in the
> fuel pump. They have been known to work out.
>    I'm at home so if you want to talk give me a call at 903 677 3256.This
> shouldn't be to tough unless it's happening to you.
>
> oleblue
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* James Dwan <james_dwan_2000@xxxxxxxxx>
> *To:* tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 25, 2011 10:01 AM
> *Subject:* [tcb] Re: I'm stumped - '59 won't start, stay running...
>
>  It is a known good engine rebuilt less than 300 miles ago. 1600cc single
> port
>
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> *From:* chuck <sukchew@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> *To:* tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 25, 2011 9:58 AM
> *Subject:* [tcb] Re: I'm stumped - '59 won't start, stay running...
>
>  The fuel tap should have a screen attached to it.It is a screen tube that
> fits on the tap.A quick check would be to see what kind of fuel flow you
> have from the tank.If you have good flow to the pump check the flow to the
> carb.
>   Is this a known good engine or are you working on someone elses trouble
> and does it have the 36hp.
> oleblue
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* James Dwan <james_dwan_2000@xxxxxxxxx>
> *To:* tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 25, 2011 9:50 AM
> *Subject:* [tcb] Re: I'm stumped - '59 won't start, stay running...
>
>  So if I remove the fuel tap I should be able to remove the screen from
> there? I have this afternoon off so I plan on switching out dizzys but it
> seems like an electrical issue that is preventing it from turning over. If I
> turn the key it goes "wrrrvump" for 1 second then stops. Like it's not
> getting enough juice. i.e. open circuit, too much resistance. I'll have to
> wait for a helper to check fuel pressure.
>
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> *From:* Eric Woodall <ericthomaswoodall@xxxxxxx>
> *To:* "tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 25, 2011 9:40 AM
> *Subject:* [tcb] Re: I'm stumped - '59 won't start, stay running...
>
>  Definitely check the sock screen in the tank.
>
> On Oct 25, 2011, at 9:38 AM, "chuck" <sukchew@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>  Check your fuel dilivery and pressure.Could also be a sticking float or
> trash in a jet.Tank screen?
> oleblue
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* James Dwan <james_dwan_2000@xxxxxxxxx>
> *To:* <tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 25, 2011 8:38 AM
> *Subject:* [tcb] I'm stumped - '59 won't start, stay running...
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> I have had an intermittent starting issue since I can remember (1 year at
> least?) so anyway, after waiting 10 seconds after the 1st attempt it would
> start up.
> Saturday I picked him up from the body shop and it took 5 hours to get it
> 10 miles into my garage.
>
> The engine died 5 miles from my house and I pushed it into a parking lot
> where Robb noticed the center post on the dizzy cap was broken, walked to
> FLAPS, replaced drove to the gas staion 1 mile from my house and left it
> idling as I was pumping gas into the gas can it died, i spent the next hour
> tring to get it started, replaced the points, condenser and it took 10 tries
> after that (with jumper cables) to get it started. I got all the way to the
> driveway and while the door was opening it died again. 2 hours later it
> barely started and I got it into the garage 5 hours before the hail storm :
> 0
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> I never replaced the rotor so I did that last night, started up and idled
> for 5 minutes then died. I started it back up and it idled for 25 minutes
> and I thought it was fixed.This morning I realized it is not fixed.
>
> I have spark, I checked the battery and it was charging (2 weeks ago) it
> has an 8 v battery but the regulator has been adjusted for that and it  is a
> brand new wiring harness and I have cleaned the grounds for the battery and
> tranny ground and I am stumped.
>
> the November show is a week and a half away and this is the only thing left
> to do on him. This weekend, I finally got the  @#*% fixed that was done in
> Ennis and received the last door panel from Lenny 11 months after requesting
> a replacement...
>
> James
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