[tcb] Re: I'm stumped - '59 won't start, stay running...

  • From: "chuck" <sukchew@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 17:42:44 -0500

Julie, The problem you discribed is a faulty ingition switch.The switch is 
supposed to provide ignition voltage while cranking.Some times it doesn't do 
what it is supposed to do thus the slight backup on the key causes contact with 
the run ignition circuit.I don't know of anything else that would cause the 
condition you discribed.
   Now, wasn't that easy, Just like a dutch oven pie.
oleblue
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: julie.hey.ho.lets.go@xxxxxxxxx 
  To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 5:18 PM
  Subject: [tcb] Re: I'm stumped - '59 won't start, stay running...


  If my problem is happening it seems like paying attention to how I turn the 
key makes a difference. Like when it turns over and over and doesn't start I 
ever so slightly turn the key a bit back and varoom varoom he starts.  It isn't 
often that nothing happens so I am not sure what I would do.

  On Oct 25, 2011 4:49 PM, <julie.hey.ho.lets.go@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

    I haven't read every response yet because I am at work so maybe this has 
been covered or maybe it is just a silly idea, I am no mechanic but my '71 
ignition misbehaves sometimes. It isn't very old. Sometimes it won't do 
anything when I turn the key.  Sometimes it turns over like it will start but 
does not.  Once it died at a traffic light and wouldn't start for 20 minutes. 
And most times it is perfectly normal especially when their are people around 
that can help me chase down the problem.  Just a thought.   

    On Oct 25, 2011 4:38 PM, "James Dwan" <james_dwan_2000@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

      Update: turned over twice in a row then it stopped turning over at all - 
did not start. Fuel filter was only half full/empty. Craled under the bus 
checked connections on the starter, nuts tight will not cross start. The piston 
engages but does not turn the fly wheel it just stops and occasionally it will 
emit a low growling noise but it does not want to do it's job.
      Thoughts?




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      From: sammie smith <bugcollections@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
      To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
      Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 3:52 PM
      Subject: [tcb] Re: I'm stumped - '59 won't start, stay running...


            That's a possibility:  But my guess is some sort of fuel 
starvation.  Had the same thing happen to me a couple of years ago and kept 
thinking it was overheated coil.  Finally diagnosed it as vapor lock where the 
fuel line was dropping down and getting too close to the #3 exhaust.  Course 
this was on the baja which is rigged unlike any stock VW.

            --- On Tue, 10/25/11, mechmark@xxxxxxxxxxx <mechmark@xxxxxxxxxxx> 
wrote:


              From: mechmark@xxxxxxxxxxx <mechmark@xxxxxxxxxxx>
              Subject: [tcb] Re: I'm stumped - '59 won't start, stay running...
              To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
              Date: Tuesday, October 25, 2011, 10:17 AM


              To me it sounds like the coil is overheating.


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              From: "James Dwan" <james_dwan_2000@xxxxxxxxx>
              To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
              Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 10:01:04 AM
              Subject: [tcb] Re: I'm stumped - '59 won't start, stay running...


              It is a known good engine rebuilt less than 300 miles ago. 1600cc 
single port



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              From: chuck <sukchew@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
              To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
              Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 9:58 AM
              Subject: [tcb] Re: I'm stumped - '59 won't start, stay running...


              The fuel tap should have a screen attached to it.It is a screen 
tube that fits on the tap.A quick check would be to see what kind of fuel flow 
you have from the tank.If you have good flow to the pump check the flow to the 
carb.
                Is this a known good engine or are you working on someone elses 
trouble and does it have the 36hp.
              oleblue
                ----- Original Message ----- 
                From: James Dwan 
                To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
                Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 9:50 AM
                Subject: [tcb] Re: I'm stumped - '59 won't start, stay 
running...


                So if I remove the fuel tap I should be able to remove the 
screen from there? I have this afternoon off so I plan on switching out dizzys 
but it seems like an electrical issue that is preventing it from turning over. 
If I turn the key it goes "wrrrvump" for 1 second then stops. Like it's not 
getting enough juice. i.e. open circuit, too much resistance. I'll have to wait 
for a helper to check fuel pressure.



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                From: Eric Woodall <ericthomaswoodall@xxxxxxx>
                To: "tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
                Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 9:40 AM
                Subject: [tcb] Re: I'm stumped - '59 won't start, stay 
running...


                Definitely check the sock screen in the tank.

                On Oct 25, 2011, at 9:38 AM, "chuck" <sukchew@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
wrote:


                  Check your fuel dilivery and pressure.Could also be a 
sticking float or trash in a jet.Tank screen?
                  oleblue
                    ----- Original Message ----- 
                    From: James Dwan 
                    To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
                    Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 8:38 AM
                    Subject: [tcb] I'm stumped - '59 won't start, stay 
running...


                    I have had an intermittent starting issue since I can 
remember (1 year at least?) so anyway, after waiting 10 seconds after the 1st 
attempt it would start up.
                    Saturday I picked him up from the body shop and it took 5 
hours to get it 10 miles into my garage.

                    The engine died 5 miles from my house and I pushed it into 
a parking lot where Robb noticed the center post on the dizzy cap was broken, 
walked to FLAPS, replaced drove to the gas staion 1 mile from my house and left 
it idling as I was pumping gas into the gas can it died, i spent the next hour 
tring to get it started, replaced the points, condenser and it took 10 tries 
after that (with jumper cables) to get it started. I got all the way to the 
driveway and while the door was opening it died again. 2 hours later it barely 
started and I got it into the garage 5 hours before the hail storm : 0

                    I never replaced the rotor so I did that last night, 
started up and idled for 5 minutes then died. I started it back up and it idled 
for 25 minutes and I thought it was fixed.This morning I realized it is not 
fixed. 

                    I have spark, I checked the battery and it was charging (2 
weeks ago) it has an 8 v battery but the regulator has been adjusted for that 
and it  is a brand new wiring harness and I have cleaned the grounds for the 
battery and tranny ground and I am stumped. 

                    the November show is a week and a half away and this is the 
only thing left to do on him. This weekend, I finally got the  @#*% fixed that 
was done in Ennis and received the last door panel from Lenny 11 months after 
requesting a replacement...

                    James

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