[tcb] Re: I'm stumped - '59 won't start, stay running...

  • From: bbauer2000@xxxxxxxxx
  • To: "tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 12:27:04 -0500

Did you jump start it with a 12 v battery?  Or do you have a 6v jump box?

On Oct 25, 2011, at 11:57 AM, James Dwan <james_dwan_2000@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Always have the fire extinguisher ready. I get off work at 1pm so I 'll shoot 
> a pic this afternoon. At the moment I have a 009 dizzy, I have another vacume 
> advance dizzy on the shelf but have neglected to install it for some unknown 
> reason. No idea what carb it is
> 
> Just thinking this through, if I have a fuel delivery issue I must have a 2nd 
> problem because out of 20 attempts this morning I only got the starter to 
> turn twice...
> 
> From: w.wood <evil.scientist.boo@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 11:29 AM
> Subject: [tcb] Re: I'm stumped - '59 won't start, stay running...
> 
> okay, can I put in a bit of a safety note here.  James, you just have 
> finished your bus.  Working with fuel and sparks means you should have an 
> extinguisher handy. 
> 
> Can I also ask if you have a copy of this book?  
> http://www.amazon.com/Keep-Volkswagen-Alive-Step---Step/dp/1566913101/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1319560071&sr=8-1
>  
> 
> It would illustrate what Chuck and the others are saying a bit better. But 
> please make sure you have a fire extinguisher close by.  I know you have an 
> iSomethingOrOther can you snap a pic and send us a photo of your engine 
> compartment?  Not just because we're fanboys but I'd like to see what kind of 
> carb you have and distributor.
> 
> So, get in there with the zoom feature.
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 11:17 AM, James Dwan <james_dwan_2000@xxxxxxxxx> 
> wrote:
> Well I had a bright blue and very painfully successful test of the coil 
> wire...
> 
> From: chuck <sukchew@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 11:02 AM
> 
> Subject: [tcb] Re: I'm stumped - '59 won't start, stay running...
> 
> do you know that you have spark at the end of the plug wire? if there is 
> nothing there we should start on the electrical.From what you discribed it 
> sounds like the electrics are okay.It's not likely that you have electrical 
> problem because it will run for awhile before stalling.The hard restarts 
> could easyly be a fuel problem.
> oleblue
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: James Dwan
> To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 10:38 AM
> Subject: [tcb] Re: I'm stumped - '59 won't start, stay running...
> 
> Thanks Chuck, I did remove the fuel pump to measure the piston and did not 
> notice anything odd but then again I didn't know what I was looking at - I 
> have been the happy care free owner of a late model FI set up for 18 years 
> and am like a caveman lawyer when it comes to early carb'd single ports...
> 
> From: chuck <sukchew@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 10:11 AM
> Subject: [tcb] Re: I'm stumped - '59 won't start, stay running...
> 
> Okay. Be sure and check the fuel pump flange.(The little bakelite thingy 
> under the pump)The push rod should move freely.Some of the bakelite flanges 
> would react with the oil sweel up and sieze the fuel pump push rod.That 
> probably is okay but it still needs to be checked.Also check the pin in the 
> fuel pump. They have been known to work out.
>    I'm at home so if you want to talk give me a call at 903 677 3256.This 
> shouldn't be to tough unless it's happening to you.
>  
> oleblue
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: James Dwan
> To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 10:01 AM
> Subject: [tcb] Re: I'm stumped - '59 won't start, stay running...
> 
> It is a known good engine rebuilt less than 300 miles ago. 1600cc single port
> 
> From: chuck <sukchew@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 9:58 AM
> Subject: [tcb] Re: I'm stumped - '59 won't start, stay running...
> 
> The fuel tap should have a screen attached to it.It is a screen tube that 
> fits on the tap.A quick check would be to see what kind of fuel flow you have 
> from the tank.If you have good flow to the pump check the flow to the carb.
>   Is this a known good engine or are you working on someone elses trouble and 
> does it have the 36hp.
> oleblue
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: James Dwan
> To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 9:50 AM
> Subject: [tcb] Re: I'm stumped - '59        won't start, stay running...
> 
> So if I remove the fuel tap I should be able to remove the screen from there? 
> I have this afternoon off so I plan on switching out dizzys but it seems like 
> an electrical issue that is preventing it from turning over. If I turn the 
> key it goes "wrrrvump" for 1 second then stops. Like it's not getting enough 
> juice. i.e. open circuit, too much resistance. I'll have to wait for a helper 
> to check fuel pressure.
> 
> From: Eric Woodall <ericthomaswoodall@xxxxxxx>
> To: "tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 9:40 AM
> Subject: [tcb] Re: I'm stumped - '59 won't start, stay running...
> 
> Definitely check the sock screen in the tank.
> 
> On Oct 25, 2011, at 9:38 AM, "chuck" <sukchew@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>        wrote:
> 
>> Check your fuel dilivery and pressure.Could also be a sticking float or 
>> trash in a jet.Tank screen?
>> oleblue
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: James Dwan
>> To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 8:38 AM
>> Subject: [tcb] I'm stumped - '59            won't start, stay running...
>> 
>> I have had an intermittent starting issue since I can remember (1 year at 
>> least?) so anyway, after waiting 10 seconds after the 1st attempt it would 
>> start up.
>> Saturday I picked him up from the body shop and it took 5 hours to get it 10 
>> miles into my garage.
>> 
>> The engine died 5 miles from my house and I pushed it into a parking lot 
>> where Robb noticed the center post on the dizzy cap was broken, walked to 
>> FLAPS, replaced drove to the gas staion 1 mile from my house and left it 
>> idling as I was pumping gas into the gas can it died, i spent the next hour 
>> tring to get it started, replaced the points, condenser and it took 10 tries 
>> after that (with jumper cables) to get it started. I got all the way to the 
>> driveway and while the door was opening it died again. 2 hours later it 
>> barely started and I got it into the garage 5 hours before the hail storm : 0
>> 
>> I never replaced the rotor so I did that last night, started up and idled 
>> for 5 minutes then died. I started it back up and it idled for 25 minutes 
>> and I thought it was fixed.This morning I realized it is not fixed. 
>> 
>> I have spark, I checked the battery and it was charging (2 weeks ago) it has 
>> an 8 v battery but the regulator has been adjusted for that and it  is a 
>> brand new wiring harness and I have cleaned the grounds for the battery and 
>> tranny ground and I am stumped. 
>> 
>> the November show is a week and a half away and this is the only thing left 
>> to do on him. This weekend, I finally got the  @#*% fixed that was done in 
>> Ennis and received the last door panel from Lenny 11 months after requesting 
>> a replacement...
>> 
>> James
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