[tcb] Re: I'm stumped - '59 won't start, stay running...

  • From: "w.wood" <evil.scientist.boo@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 17:23:29 -0500

while 6V won WW2 the long path that the solenoid current goes through to
start the bus is a long way.  The current also goes through an ignition
switch which can be worn as well.  That's why in the OLD VW busses I employ
the Ford Solenoid switch trick.  Basically, I use a relay (the Ford
Solenoid) to carry the current on a shorter path to the ignition starter
solenoid.  It gets over those hot start problems in a hurry.



On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 5:18 PM, <julie.hey.ho.lets.go@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> If my problem is happening it seems like paying attention to how I turn the
> key makes a difference. Like when it turns over and over and doesn't start I
> ever so slightly turn the key a bit back and varoom varoom he starts.  It
> isn't often that nothing happens so I am not sure what I would do.
> On Oct 25, 2011 4:49 PM, <julie.hey.ho.lets.go@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> I haven't read every response yet because I am at work so maybe this has
>> been covered or maybe it is just a silly idea, I am no mechanic but my '71
>> ignition misbehaves sometimes. It isn't very old. Sometimes it won't do
>> anything when I turn the key.  Sometimes it turns over like it will start
>> but does not.  Once it died at a traffic light and wouldn't start for 20
>> minutes. And most times it is perfectly normal especially when their are
>> people around that can help me chase down the problem.  Just a thought.
>> On Oct 25, 2011 4:38 PM, "James Dwan" <james_dwan_2000@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> Update: turned over twice in a row then it stopped turning over at all -
>>> did not start. Fuel filter was only half full/empty. Craled under the bus
>>> checked connections on the starter, nuts tight will not cross start. The
>>> piston engages but does not turn the fly wheel it just stops and
>>> occasionally it will emit a low growling noise but it does not want to do
>>> it's job.
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* sammie smith <bugcollections@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> *To:* tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 25, 2011 3:52 PM
>>> *Subject:* [tcb] Re: I'm stumped - '59 won't start, stay running...
>>>
>>> That's a possibility:  But my guess is some sort of fuel starvation.  Had
>>> the same thing happen to me a couple of years ago and kept thinking it was
>>> overheated coil.  Finally diagnosed it as vapor lock where the fuel line was
>>> dropping down and getting too close to the #3 exhaust.  Course this was on
>>> the baja which is rigged unlike any stock VW.
>>>
>>> --- On *Tue, 10/25/11, mechmark@xxxxxxxxxxx <mechmark@xxxxxxxxxxx>*wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> From: mechmark@xxxxxxxxxxx <mechmark@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Subject: [tcb] Re: I'm stumped - '59 won't start, stay running...
>>> To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Date: Tuesday, October 25, 2011, 10:17 AM
>>>
>>>  To me it sounds like the coil is overheating.
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From: *"James Dwan" <james_dwan_2000@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> *To: *tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, October 25, 2011 10:01:04 AM
>>> *Subject: *[tcb] Re: I'm stumped - '59 won't start, stay running...
>>>
>>>  It is a known good engine rebuilt less than 300 miles ago. 1600cc
>>> single port
>>>
>>>  ------------------------------
>>> *From:* chuck <sukchew@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> *To:* tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 25, 2011 9:58 AM
>>> *Subject:* [tcb] Re: I'm stumped - '59 won't start, stay running...
>>>
>>>  The fuel tap should have a screen attached to it.It is a screen tube
>>> that fits on the tap.A quick check would be to see what kind of fuel flow
>>> you have from the tank.If you have good flow to the pump check the flow to
>>> the carb.
>>>   Is this a known good engine or are you working on someone elses trouble
>>> and does it have the 36hp.
>>> oleblue
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> *From:* James 
>>> Dwan<http://us.mc833.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=james_dwan_2000@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> *To:* 
>>> tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<http://us.mc833.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 25, 2011 9:50 AM
>>> *Subject:* [tcb] Re: I'm stumped - '59 won't start, stay running...
>>>
>>>  So if I remove the fuel tap I should be able to remove the screen from
>>> there? I have this afternoon off so I plan on switching out dizzys but it
>>> seems like an electrical issue that is preventing it from turning over. If I
>>> turn the key it goes "wrrrvump" for 1 second then stops. Like it's not
>>> getting enough juice. i.e. open circuit, too much resistance. I'll have to
>>> wait for a helper to check fuel pressure.
>>>
>>>  ------------------------------
>>> *From:* Eric Woodall <ericthomaswoodall@xxxxxxx>
>>> *To:* "tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 25, 2011 9:40 AM
>>> *Subject:* [tcb] Re: I'm stumped - '59 won't start, stay running...
>>>
>>>  Definitely check the sock screen in the tank.
>>>
>>> On Oct 25, 2011, at 9:38 AM, "chuck" 
>>> <sukchew@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx<http://us.mc833.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sukchew@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Check your fuel dilivery and pressure.Could also be a sticking float or
>>> trash in a jet.Tank screen?
>>> oleblue
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> *From:* James 
>>> Dwan<http://us.mc833.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=james_dwan_2000@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> *To:* <http://us.mc833.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<http://us.mc833.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 25, 2011 8:38 AM
>>> *Subject:* [tcb] I'm stumped - '59 won't start, stay running...
>>>
>>> I have had an intermittent starting issue since I can remember (1 year at
>>> least?) so anyway, after waiting 10 seconds after the 1st attempt it would
>>> start up.
>>> Saturday I picked him up from the body shop and it took 5 hours to get it
>>> 10 miles into my garage.
>>>
>>> The engine died 5 miles from my house and I pushed it into a parking lot
>>> where Robb noticed the center post on the dizzy cap was broken, walked to
>>> FLAPS, replaced drove to the gas staion 1 mile from my house and left it
>>> idling as I was pumping gas into the gas can it died, i spent the next hour
>>> tring to get it started, replaced the points, condenser and it took 10 tries
>>> after that (with jumper cables) to get it started. I got all the way to the
>>> driveway and while the door was opening it died again. 2 hours later it
>>> barely started and I got it into the garage 5 hours before the hail storm :
>>> 0
>>>
>>> I never replaced the rotor so I did that last night, started up and idled
>>> for 5 minutes then died. I started it back up and it idled for 25 minutes
>>> and I thought it was fixed.This morning I realized it is not fixed.
>>>
>>> I have spark, I checked the battery and it was charging (2 weeks ago) it
>>> has an 8 v battery but the regulator has been adjusted for that and it  is a
>>> brand new wiring harness and I have cleaned the grounds for the battery and
>>> tranny ground and I am stumped.
>>>
>>> the November show is a week and a half away and this is the only thing
>>> left to do on him. This weekend, I finally got the  @#*% fixed that was done
>>> in Ennis and received the last door panel from Lenny 11 months after
>>> requesting a replacement...
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>


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