[tcb] Re: I'm stumped - '59 won't start, stay running...

  • From: James Dwan <james_dwan_2000@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 07:05:09 -0700 (PDT)

New battery- fully charged. New starter with new bushing. Could not cross start 
it. All new wiring but I can't remember if the ignition switch is the original 
or not - it might be. Or a wire could have come loose. I will check the wiring 
Thurs

As far as the running problem it must be fuel pump, carb jets and maybe gas 
flow from the tank but I doubt that the fuel filter gets full when I try to 
start it


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From: sammie smith <bugcollections@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 7:54 PM
Subject: [tcb] Re: I'm stumped - '59 won't start, stay running...


I've gone through all of the e-mails on this problem; and it appears if you are 
describing two distinctly different problems James.  The first is your 
description of it not turning over; like you have a battery without enough 
juice.  This problem could be a weak battery, or a faulty and/or dragging 
starter, or the old "6V" problem of just not getting enough juice to kick the 
solenoid.  Solution here is check your battery for full charge, assuming it has 
a full charge, jump the starter which you can do by simply laying a screw 
driver over the two posts which bypasses all of the ignition/starter wiring, 
and if the starter still grinds and acts like doesn't want to turn the engine 
over you probably have a dragging starter which may be caused by a worn starter 
busching in the bell housing.  When you installed the starter did you put in a 
new bushing?  Always a requirement.  A worn bushing will shortly ruin your 
starter.
 
The second problem is:  once it is running it doesn't want to keep running, at 
least correctly.  This problem sounds like a fuel starvation problem to me; and 
all of the causes have already been covered in prior e-mails.
 
Fuel starvation, bad distributor, bad carb, etc etc have absolutely nothing to 
do with the inability of the starter turning the engine over.
 
 
 

--- On Tue, 10/25/11, julie.hey.ho.lets.go@xxxxxxxxx 
<julie.hey.ho.lets.go@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:


>From: julie.hey.ho.lets.go@xxxxxxxxx <julie.hey.ho.lets.go@xxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: [tcb] Re: I'm stumped - '59 won't start, stay running...
>To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Date: Tuesday, October 25, 2011, 6:55 PM
>
>
>I now know that my problem is my ignition switch and I believe I have any 
>extra one in my spare parts collection I carry with me but I will double 
>check. But mine is not worn from age just a crap replacement part that has 
>only been on for a year and a half.
>As for bad new coils, that seems to happen a bunch.  Guys I know were 
>befuddled by a new engine that wouldn't work.  It was mind blowing but they 
>exchanged the new coil at whatever FLAPS and the third or fourth one did the 
>trick.  
>On Oct 25, 2011 6:31 PM, <julie.hey.ho.lets.go@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>My mechanic didn't answer his phone but I believe it is if you take off the 
>wire that goes from the solenoid to the coil and turn the key to the position 
>where the lights come on in your dash you should hear the solenoid clicking 
>but double check that I am not telling you something stupid that will blow up 
>your Bus.  Surely someone knows what I am going on about?  
>>On Oct 25, 2011 6:23 PM, <julie.hey.ho.lets.go@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>Isn't there a way to check that the solenoid is working like take off one of 
>>the wires and turn the key to a certain position and you should hear the 
>>solenoid make a clicking noise if it is working. I remember my mechanic 
>>having me check it like this. I will call him to find out better directions 
>>unless one of you knows what I am talking about. 
>>>On Oct 25, 2011 5:47 PM, "James Dwan" <james_dwan_2000@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>Update: Switched out the 009 on the '59 for the 009 on my daily driver - 
>>>nada.
>>>>I have now run down the battery on the '77 so I'll switch 'em back and take 
>>>>off the fuel pump and grab a beer...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>________________________________
>>>> From: chuck <sukchew@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 5:42 PM
>>>>Subject: [tcb] Re: I'm stumped - '59 won't start, stay running...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>It sounds to me like you are on the right track.Keep going.
>>>>oleblue
>>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>From: James Dwan 
>>>>>To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 5:13 PM
>>>>>Subject: [tcb] Re: I'm stumped - '59 won't start, stay running...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>just hooked up the cables the way you suggested AND hooked up another set 
>>>>>to my Westy with the key off (12 volts) it turns over freely until I turn 
>>>>>the key off but no go on the starting thing. So I assume I have 2 distinct 
>>>>>problems, starter not getting what it needs and the carb not getting what 
>>>>>it needs. Right?
>>>>>I think it's time to look at the fuel pump.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>________________________________
>>>>> From: Gerald Livingston <gerald.tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 4:47 PM
>>>>>Subject: [tcb] Re: I'm stumped - '59 won't start, stay running...
>>>>>
>>>>>Check your ground strap. Test by using a set of jumper cables with good
>>>>>strong clamps. Run from battery negative to something solid on the
>>>>>transaxle and other cable from transaxle to frame.
>>>>>
>>>>>G2
>>>>>
>>>>>On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 14:37:43 -0700 (PDT)
>>>>>James Dwan <james_dwan_2000@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Update: turned over twice in a row then it stopped turning over at
>>>>>> all - did not start. Fuel filter was only half full/empty. Craled
>>>>>> under the bus checked connections on the starter, nuts tight will not
>>>>>> cross start. The piston engages but does not turn the fly wheel it
>>>>>> just stops and occasionally it will emit a low growling noise but it
>>>>>> does not want to do it's job. Thoughts?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>

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