[tcb] Re: I'm stumped - '59 won't start, stay running...

  • From: sammie smith <bugcollections@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 17:54:28 -0700 (PDT)





I've gone through all of the e-mails on this problem; and it appears if you are 
describing two distinctly different problems James.  The first is your 
description of it not turning over; like you have a battery without enough 
juice.  This problem could be a weak battery, or a faulty and/or dragging 
starter, or the old "6V" problem of just not getting enough juice to kick the 
solenoid.  Solution here is check your battery for full charge, assuming it has 
a full charge, jump the starter which you can do by simply laying a screw 
driver over the two posts which bypasses all of the ignition/starter wiring, 
and if the starter still grinds and acts like doesn't want to turn the engine 
over you probably have a dragging starter which may be caused by a worn starter 
busching in the bell housing.  When you installed the starter did you put in a 
new bushing?  Always a requirement.  A worn bushing will shortly ruin your 
starter.
 
The second problem is:  once it is running it doesn't want to keep running, at 
least correctly.  This problem sounds like a fuel starvation problem to me; and 
all of the causes have already been covered in prior e-mails.
 
Fuel starvation, bad distributor, bad carb, etc etc have absolutely nothing to 
do with the inability of the starter turning the engine over.
 
 
 

--- On Tue, 10/25/11, julie.hey.ho.lets.go@xxxxxxxxx 
<julie.hey.ho.lets.go@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:


From: julie.hey.ho.lets.go@xxxxxxxxx <julie.hey.ho.lets.go@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [tcb] Re: I'm stumped - '59 won't start, stay running...
To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Tuesday, October 25, 2011, 6:55 PM



I now know that my problem is my ignition switch and I believe I have any extra 
one in my spare parts collection I carry with me but I will double check. But 
mine is not worn from age just a crap replacement part that has only been on 
for a year and a half.
As for bad new coils, that seems to happen a bunch.  Guys I know were befuddled 
by a new engine that wouldn't work.  It was mind blowing but they exchanged the 
new coil at whatever FLAPS and the third or fourth one did the trick.  
On Oct 25, 2011 6:31 PM, <julie.hey.ho.lets.go@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:


My mechanic didn't answer his phone but I believe it is if you take off the 
wire that goes from the solenoid to the coil and turn the key to the position 
where the lights come on in your dash you should hear the solenoid clicking but 
double check that I am not telling you something stupid that will blow up your 
Bus.  Surely someone knows what I am going on about?  
On Oct 25, 2011 6:23 PM, <julie.hey.ho.lets.go@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:


Isn't there a way to check that the solenoid is working like take off one of 
the wires and turn the key to a certain position and you should hear the 
solenoid make a clicking noise if it is working. I remember my mechanic having 
me check it like this. I will call him to find out better directions unless one 
of you knows what I am talking about. 
On Oct 25, 2011 5:47 PM, "James Dwan" <james_dwan_2000@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:




Update: Switched out the 009 on the '59 for the 009 on my daily driver - nada.
I have now run down the battery on the '77 so I'll switch 'em back and take off 
the fuel pump and grab a beer...






From: chuck <sukchew@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 5:42 PM
Subject: [tcb] Re: I'm stumped - '59 won't start, stay running...




It sounds to me like you are on the right track.Keep going.
oleblue

----- Original Message ----- 
From: James Dwan 
To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 5:13 PM
Subject: [tcb] Re: I'm stumped - '59 won't start, stay running...



just hooked up the cables the way you suggested AND hooked up another set to my 
Westy with the key off (12 volts) it turns over freely until I turn the key off 
but no go on the starting thing. So I assume I have 2 distinct problems, 
starter not getting what it needs and the carb not getting what it needs. Right?
I think it's time to look at the fuel pump.






From: Gerald Livingston <gerald.tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 4:47 PM
Subject: [tcb] Re: I'm stumped - '59 won't start, stay running...

Check your ground strap. Test by using a set of jumper cables with good
strong clamps. Run from battery negative to something solid on the
transaxle and other cable from transaxle to frame.

G2

On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 14:37:43 -0700 (PDT)
James Dwan <james_dwan_2000@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Update: turned over twice in a row then it stopped turning over at
> all - did not start. Fuel filter was only half full/empty. Craled
> under the bus checked connections on the starter, nuts tight will not
> cross start. The piston engages but does not turn the fly wheel it
> just stops and occasionally it will emit a low growling noise but it
> does not want to do it's job. Thoughts?

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