[macvoiceover] Re: is a paid screenreader for the mac a option?
- From: rhonda cruz <rhondaprincess@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 12:03:31 -0700
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On Jun 25, 2012, at 11:32 AM, John Panarese wrote:
> There are VoiceOver trainers out there. I provide Mac and iDevice
> training and have been doing so for a few years now. There are certainly
> others out there as well.
>
>
> Take Care
>
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
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> On Jun 25, 2012, at 2:18 PM, Ian Edwards <ianedwards42@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Good Points.
>>
>> Are there training opportunities for VoicOver users equivalent to what a
>> sighted person can get at the Apple store using the One to One program? I
>> signed up for One to One, but unfortunately none of the trainers knew the
>> ins and outs of Voicover. They resorted to looking stuff up in the manual
>> for me, but there focused on how to mimick how a sighted person would use
>> the machine. For example, the admitedly complex series of mouse pointer
>> confirmations and clicks to drag and drop, with no way of knowing if the
>> right things are visible, rahter than the rather easy command option V to
>> move an item.
>>
>> Tha'ts just an example, no need to get into a discussion of the merits of
>> the drag and drop function, but it illustrates the need for Voiceover
>> capable trainers who are easily available.
>>
>> Peace,
>>
>> Ian
>>
>> On 2012-06-25, at 12:00 PM, VaShaun Jones wrote:
>>
>>> I really think you need proper training because the statements you are
>>> making just are not true. As I've stated before there are blind people who
>>> work on accessibility for the Mac day in and day out and I promise you with
>>> all my heart proper training prevents piss poor performance and this is
>>> surely a matter of not having the proper training. I will leave this alone
>>> because a person convinced against their will is of the same opinion still.
>>> On Jun 25, 2012, at 8:08 AM, William Windels <william.windels@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>> After working for more than 3 years with the mac , it's my personal
>>>> opinionthat more basic programs are accessible on windows then on the mac
>>>> platform.
>>>>
>>>> I find it more stable to work on the mac because of the integration of the
>>>> screenreader voiceover with the osx.
>>>> The fact that the hardware is also adapted for us by the trackpad and the
>>>> function-keys with the spoken values.
>>>> And of course the flexible way we can install , manage the system with
>>>> voiceover support everywhere.
>>>>
>>>> However, we can't e.g. configure dropbox with voiceover while this is
>>>> possible on windows, office programs like microsoft office and also
>>>> iWork's aren't fully accessible with lay-out tasks, in my opinion there
>>>> are several usability issues with the browsers on the mac, some ellements
>>>> of the os , like
>>>> Tables, on websites and on numbers and pages, are very difficult to
>>>> navigate e.g. you can't search for edit-fields on websites while they are
>>>> in a table and in pages, you can't work with tables on a comfortable way.
>>>> the icon's on the status bar, can't be reached on a normal way with
>>>> voiceover...
>>>>
>>>> My conclusion: a paid screenreader for the mac that makes program's
>>>> accessible with scripts (like screen readers on windows do), should be
>>>> very welcome I think.
>>>> With this kind of optional screenreader, blind users should be able to use
>>>> all the equivalents on the mac of their windows favorites. Perhaps it
>>>> should push apple to make their screenreader better on a faster speed.
>>>>
>>>> Why such screenreader doesn't exist yet?
>>>> I see 2 reasons for this:
>>>> 1. Apple should not be happy with this and the screenreader of apple
>>>> should have more possibilities to integrate with the os then the external
>>>> screenreader.
>>>> 2. Other communities don't see a reason to make a screenreader for the mac
>>>> while there is one built in.
>>>> If it should be the second reason, any people with accessibility
>>>> frustrations on the mac , should communicate this to other companies like
>>>> gw micro, freedom scientific, baum...
>>>>
>>>> Any opinions about this meanings should be very welcome.
>>>> kind regards,
>>>> William Windels>
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