[macvoiceover] Re: is a paid screenreader for the mac a option?
- From: Laura <laura.mcg@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 23:52:54 +0100
I agree about tables in Word with JAWS (in fact, I'd say Word in general with
JAWS got increasingly more cumbersome with each new Office release), but track
changes I've always found very accessible. It's the one thing that I go back to
Windows for, even now, because there really isn't a comparable solution on the
Mac. If they could fix that in Pages, I'd happily ditch even the virtual
machine. I continue to live in hope.
On 25 Jun 2012, at 23:27, David Chittenden wrote:
> Hello,
>
> It took some experimentation and a discussion with my university's help desk,
> but I now find filling out tables in Pages to be straight-forward (at least
> standard tables). When on the page which has the table, stop interacting with
> the text edit field. Use VO right arrow to move forward a couple elements and
> you should find the table. Interacting with the table lets me read and edit
> it. My only problem now is I cannot figure out how to tell where the table
> actually is located on the page.
>
> Oh, and before we start praising Jaws here, last year before I left Windows,
> I could only work with standard tables in word with Jaws as well. Also, I
> never did figure out how to read track changes or comments with Jaws in word.
> So, for this point, they are equivalent.
>
>
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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>
> On 26/06/2012, at 7:10, Laura <laura.mcg@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Out of interest, what in the original message is preventable with training?
>> I disagree with the paid alternative to VoiceOver, but aren't most of the
>> points William raises valid? Tables in Pages are often difficult, and, at
>> the moment, getting to third party status bar items is complicated. Pages in
>> general seems to me to have some reasonably big accessibility bugs--I.E. the
>> inability to read track changes or comments.
>>
>> I'm not picking an argument, honestly. I'm just curious, because the only
>> part of the message I'd question is the part about not being able to search
>> for form fields in tables on webpages. If there are straightforward methods
>> for achieving some of the other things he finds difficult, I'd love to hear
>> about them, too.
>>
>> Cheers.
>>
>> Laura
>>
>> On 25 Jun 2012, at 19:00, VaShaun Jones wrote:
>>
>>> I really think you need proper training because the statements you are
>>> making just are not true. As I've stated before there are blind people who
>>> work on accessibility for the Mac day in and day out and I promise you with
>>> all my heart proper training prevents piss poor performance and this is
>>> surely a matter of not having the proper training. I will leave this alone
>>> because a person convinced against their will is of the same opinion still.
>>> On Jun 25, 2012, at 8:08 AM, William Windels <william.windels@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>> After working for more than 3 years with the mac , it's my personal
>>>> opinionthat more basic programs are accessible on windows then on the mac
>>>> platform.
>>>>
>>>> I find it more stable to work on the mac because of the integration of the
>>>> screenreader voiceover with the osx.
>>>> The fact that the hardware is also adapted for us by the trackpad and the
>>>> function-keys with the spoken values.
>>>> And of course the flexible way we can install , manage the system with
>>>> voiceover support everywhere.
>>>>
>>>> However, we can't e.g. configure dropbox with voiceover while this is
>>>> possible on windows, office programs like microsoft office and also
>>>> iWork's aren't fully accessible with lay-out tasks, in my opinion there
>>>> are several usability issues with the browsers on the mac, some ellements
>>>> of the os , like
>>>> Tables, on websites and on numbers and pages, are very difficult to
>>>> navigate e.g. you can't search for edit-fields on websites while they are
>>>> in a table and in pages, you can't work with tables on a comfortable way.
>>>> the icon's on the status bar, can't be reached on a normal way with
>>>> voiceover...
>>>>
>>>> My conclusion: a paid screenreader for the mac that makes program's
>>>> accessible with scripts (like screen readers on windows do), should be
>>>> very welcome I think.
>>>> With this kind of optional screenreader, blind users should be able to use
>>>> all the equivalents on the mac of their windows favorites. Perhaps it
>>>> should push apple to make their screenreader better on a faster speed.
>>>>
>>>> Why such screenreader doesn't exist yet?
>>>> I see 2 reasons for this:
>>>> 1. Apple should not be happy with this and the screenreader of apple
>>>> should have more possibilities to integrate with the os then the external
>>>> screenreader.
>>>> 2. Other communities don't see a reason to make a screenreader for the mac
>>>> while there is one built in.
>>>> If it should be the second reason, any people with accessibility
>>>> frustrations on the mac , should communicate this to other companies like
>>>> gw micro, freedom scientific, baum...
>>>>
>>>> Any opinions about this meanings should be very welcome.
>>>> kind regards,
>>>> William Windels>
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