[macvoiceover] Re: is a paid screenreader for the mac a option?
- From: John Panarese <jpanarese@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 15:16:37 -0400
That's why I offered alternatives to iWorks. I am not disagreeing with
some of his points. I am disagreeing with his conclusions and inferences.
Let's not forget that Mountain Lion is coming soon. Let's wait to see what
improvements will be found for VoiceOver. Also, as I indicated, strong rumors
point to an update to iWorks.
Take Care
John Panarese
jpanarese@xxxxxxxxx
On Jun 25, 2012, at 3:10 PM, Laura <laura.mcg@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Out of interest, what in the original message is preventable with training? I
> disagree with the paid alternative to VoiceOver, but aren't most of the
> points William raises valid? Tables in Pages are often difficult, and, at the
> moment, getting to third party status bar items is complicated. Pages in
> general seems to me to have some reasonably big accessibility bugs--I.E. the
> inability to read track changes or comments.
>
> I'm not picking an argument, honestly. I'm just curious, because the only
> part of the message I'd question is the part about not being able to search
> for form fields in tables on webpages. If there are straightforward methods
> for achieving some of the other things he finds difficult, I'd love to hear
> about them, too.
>
> Cheers.
>
> Laura
>
> On 25 Jun 2012, at 19:00, VaShaun Jones wrote:
>
>> I really think you need proper training because the statements you are
>> making just are not true. As I've stated before there are blind people who
>> work on accessibility for the Mac day in and day out and I promise you with
>> all my heart proper training prevents piss poor performance and this is
>> surely a matter of not having the proper training. I will leave this alone
>> because a person convinced against their will is of the same opinion still.
>> On Jun 25, 2012, at 8:08 AM, William Windels <william.windels@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>> After working for more than 3 years with the mac , it's my personal
>>> opinionthat more basic programs are accessible on windows then on the mac
>>> platform.
>>>
>>> I find it more stable to work on the mac because of the integration of the
>>> screenreader voiceover with the osx.
>>> The fact that the hardware is also adapted for us by the trackpad and the
>>> function-keys with the spoken values.
>>> And of course the flexible way we can install , manage the system with
>>> voiceover support everywhere.
>>>
>>> However, we can't e.g. configure dropbox with voiceover while this is
>>> possible on windows, office programs like microsoft office and also iWork's
>>> aren't fully accessible with lay-out tasks, in my opinion there are several
>>> usability issues with the browsers on the mac, some ellements of the os ,
>>> like
>>> Tables, on websites and on numbers and pages, are very difficult to
>>> navigate e.g. you can't search for edit-fields on websites while they are
>>> in a table and in pages, you can't work with tables on a comfortable way.
>>> the icon's on the status bar, can't be reached on a normal way with
>>> voiceover...
>>>
>>> My conclusion: a paid screenreader for the mac that makes program's
>>> accessible with scripts (like screen readers on windows do), should be very
>>> welcome I think.
>>> With this kind of optional screenreader, blind users should be able to use
>>> all the equivalents on the mac of their windows favorites. Perhaps it
>>> should push apple to make their screenreader better on a faster speed.
>>>
>>> Why such screenreader doesn't exist yet?
>>> I see 2 reasons for this:
>>> 1. Apple should not be happy with this and the screenreader of apple should
>>> have more possibilities to integrate with the os then the external
>>> screenreader.
>>> 2. Other communities don't see a reason to make a screenreader for the mac
>>> while there is one built in.
>>> If it should be the second reason, any people with accessibility
>>> frustrations on the mac , should communicate this to other companies like
>>> gw micro, freedom scientific, baum...
>>>
>>> Any opinions about this meanings should be very welcome.
>>> kind regards,
>>> William Windels>
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