Any ideas when Mountain Lion should arrive and does anyone have direct URLs for good reading about him! <Smiles>
Carol P ---- Original Message ---- From: "John Panarese" <jpanarese@xxxxxxxxx> To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 8:16 PM Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: is a paid screenreader for the mac a option?
That's why I offered alternatives to iWorks. I am
not disagreeing with some of his points. I am
disagreeing with his conclusions and inferences.
Let's not forget that Mountain Lion is coming soon.
Let's wait to see what improvements will be found for
VoiceOver. Also, as I indicated, strong rumors point to
an update to iWorks.
Take Care
John Panarese
jpanarese@xxxxxxxxx
On Jun 25, 2012, at 3:10 PM, Laura <laura.mcg@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
> Out of interest, what in the original message is
> preventable with training? I disagree with the paid
> alternative to VoiceOver, but aren't most of the points
> William raises valid? Tables in Pages are often
> difficult, and, at the moment, getting to third party
> status bar items is complicated. Pages in general seems
> to me to have some reasonably big accessibility
> bugs--I.E. the inability to read track changes or
> comments.
>
> I'm not picking an argument, honestly. I'm just
> curious, because the only part of the message I'd
> question is the part about not being able to search for
> form fields in tables on webpages. If there are
> straightforward methods for achieving some of the other
> things he finds difficult, I'd love to hear about them,
> too.
>
> Cheers.
>
> Laura
>
> On 25 Jun 2012, at 19:00, VaShaun Jones wrote:
>
>> I really think you need proper training because the
>> statements you are making just are not true. As I've
>> stated before there are blind people who work on
>> accessibility for the Mac day in and day out and I
>> promise you with all my heart proper training prevents
>> piss poor performance and this is surely a matter of
>> not having the proper training. I will leave this
>> alone because a person convinced against their will is
>> of the same opinion still. On Jun 25, 2012, at 8:08
>> AM, William Windels <william.windels@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>> After working for more than 3 years with the mac ,
>>> it's my personal opinionthat more basic programs are
>>> accessible on windows then on the mac platform.
>>>
>>> I find it more stable to work on the mac because of
>>> the integration of the screenreader voiceover with
>>> the osx.
>>> The fact that the hardware is also adapted for us by
>>> the trackpad and the function-keys with the spoken
>>> values.
>>> And of course the flexible way we can install ,
>>> manage the system with voiceover support everywhere.
>>>
>>> However, we can't e.g. configure dropbox with
>>> voiceover while this is possible on windows, office
>>> programs like microsoft office and also iWork's
>>> aren't fully accessible with lay-out tasks, in my
>>> opinion there are several usability issues with the
>>> browsers on the mac, some ellements of the os , like
>>> Tables, on websites and on numbers and pages, are
>>> very difficult to navigate e.g. you can't search for
>>> edit-fields on websites while they are in a table and
>>> in pages, you can't work with tables on a comfortable
>>> way.
>>> the icon's on the status bar, can't be reached on a
>>> normal way with voiceover...
>>>
>>> My conclusion: a paid screenreader for the mac that
>>> makes program's accessible with scripts (like screen
>>> readers on windows do), should be very welcome I
>>> think.
>>> With this kind of optional screenreader, blind users
>>> should be able to use all the equivalents on the mac
>>> of their windows favorites. Perhaps it should push
>>> apple to make their screenreader better on a faster
>>> speed.
>>>
>>> Why such screenreader doesn't exist yet?
>>> I see 2 reasons for this:
>>> 1. Apple should not be happy with this and the
>>> screenreader of apple should have more possibilities
>>> to integrate with the os then the external
>>> screenreader.
>>> 2. Other communities don't see a reason to make a
>>> screenreader for the mac while there is one built in.
>>> If it should be the second reason, any people with
>>> accessibility frustrations on the mac , should
>>> communicate this to other companies like gw micro,
>>> freedom scientific, baum...
>>>
>>> Any opinions about this meanings should be very
>>> welcome.
>>> kind regards,
>>> William Windels>
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