[macvoiceover] Re: is a paid screenreader for the mac a option?
- From: David Chittenden <dchittenden@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: "macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 17:59:13 +1200
Hello,
I did it once. If memory serves, the table was automatically set when I
completed the options. I did not activate an ok button.
David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchittenden@xxxxxxxxx
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
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On 26/06/2012, at 15:23, Ian Edwards <ianedwards42@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> David,
>
> Have you had success inserting a table of your own? I follow the steps
> through the insert menu, set parameters for the table, but then it isn't
> clear what to do. I haven't been able to find anything like an ok button.
>
> Thanks for you patience
>
> Ian
>
> On 2012-06-25, at 6:00 PM, David Chittenden wrote:
>
>> Yes, it is in with the header and footer options. It is after footer. Also,
>> I was working with pages file type. Haven't yet tried with word file types.
>>
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchittenden@xxxxxxxxx
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 26/06/2012, at 11:11, Ian Edwards <ianedwards42@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> David,
>>>
>>> I tried this on a document and couldn't find the table to interact with.
>>> What level are you on when you VO right to find it? Is it in with the
>>> header and footer options? The level above that has images and an
>>> unlabelled button for me.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Ian
>>>
>>> On 2012-06-25, at 4:27 PM, David Chittenden wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> It took some experimentation and a discussion with my university's help
>>>> desk, but I now find filling out tables in Pages to be straight-forward
>>>> (at least standard tables). When on the page which has the table, stop
>>>> interacting with the text edit field. Use VO right arrow to move forward a
>>>> couple elements and you should find the table. Interacting with the table
>>>> lets me read and edit it. My only problem now is I cannot figure out how
>>>> to tell where the table actually is located on the page.
>>>>
>>>> Oh, and before we start praising Jaws here, last year before I left
>>>> Windows, I could only work with standard tables in word with Jaws as well.
>>>> Also, I never did figure out how to read track changes or comments with
>>>> Jaws in word. So, for this point, they are equivalent.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>>> Email: dchittenden@xxxxxxxxx
>>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On 26/06/2012, at 7:10, Laura <laura.mcg@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Out of interest, what in the original message is preventable with
>>>>> training? I disagree with the paid alternative to VoiceOver, but aren't
>>>>> most of the points William raises valid? Tables in Pages are often
>>>>> difficult, and, at the moment, getting to third party status bar items is
>>>>> complicated. Pages in general seems to me to have some reasonably big
>>>>> accessibility bugs--I.E. the inability to read track changes or comments.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not picking an argument, honestly. I'm just curious, because the only
>>>>> part of the message I'd question is the part about not being able to
>>>>> search for form fields in tables on webpages. If there are
>>>>> straightforward methods for achieving some of the other things he finds
>>>>> difficult, I'd love to hear about them, too.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Laura
>>>>>
>>>>> On 25 Jun 2012, at 19:00, VaShaun Jones wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I really think you need proper training because the statements you are
>>>>>> making just are not true. As I've stated before there are blind people
>>>>>> who work on accessibility for the Mac day in and day out and I promise
>>>>>> you with all my heart proper training prevents piss poor performance and
>>>>>> this is surely a matter of not having the proper training. I will leave
>>>>>> this alone because a person convinced against their will is of the same
>>>>>> opinion still.
>>>>>> On Jun 25, 2012, at 8:08 AM, William Windels <william.windels@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>> After working for more than 3 years with the mac , it's my personal
>>>>>>> opinionthat more basic programs are accessible on windows then on the
>>>>>>> mac platform.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I find it more stable to work on the mac because of the integration of
>>>>>>> the screenreader voiceover with the osx.
>>>>>>> The fact that the hardware is also adapted for us by the trackpad and
>>>>>>> the function-keys with the spoken values.
>>>>>>> And of course the flexible way we can install , manage the system with
>>>>>>> voiceover support everywhere.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However, we can't e.g. configure dropbox with voiceover while this is
>>>>>>> possible on windows, office programs like microsoft office and also
>>>>>>> iWork's aren't fully accessible with lay-out tasks, in my opinion there
>>>>>>> are several usability issues with the browsers on the mac, some
>>>>>>> ellements of the os , like
>>>>>>> Tables, on websites and on numbers and pages, are very difficult to
>>>>>>> navigate e.g. you can't search for edit-fields on websites while they
>>>>>>> are in a table and in pages, you can't work with tables on a
>>>>>>> comfortable way.
>>>>>>> the icon's on the status bar, can't be reached on a normal way with
>>>>>>> voiceover...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My conclusion: a paid screenreader for the mac that makes program's
>>>>>>> accessible with scripts (like screen readers on windows do), should be
>>>>>>> very welcome I think.
>>>>>>> With this kind of optional screenreader, blind users should be able to
>>>>>>> use all the equivalents on the mac of their windows favorites. Perhaps
>>>>>>> it should push apple to make their screenreader better on a faster
>>>>>>> speed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why such screenreader doesn't exist yet?
>>>>>>> I see 2 reasons for this:
>>>>>>> 1. Apple should not be happy with this and the screenreader of apple
>>>>>>> should have more possibilities to integrate with the os then the
>>>>>>> external screenreader.
>>>>>>> 2. Other communities don't see a reason to make a screenreader for the
>>>>>>> mac while there is one built in.
>>>>>>> If it should be the second reason, any people with accessibility
>>>>>>> frustrations on the mac , should communicate this to other companies
>>>>>>> like gw micro, freedom scientific, baum...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any opinions about this meanings should be very welcome.
>>>>>>> kind regards,
>>>>>>> William Windels>
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