[macvoiceover] Re: is a paid screenreader for the mac a option?
- From: Ian Edwards <ianedwards42@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 15:14:50 -0600
Um, let's remember that Voiceover is a paid screenreader. It is included in the
price we pay for a Mac, and as such should be considered as a feature for which
we as valued customers can expect improvements based on our consumer feedback.
Ian
On 2012-06-25, at 3:07 PM, Clinton Waterbury wrote:
> I think in some aspects, a payed alternative solution wouldn't fix
> everything, that and some things with it would be more trouble than it's
> worth.
> Anyone remember outspoken?
> :)
> On Jun 25, 2012, at 3:01 PM, Carol Pearson wrote:
>
>> Any ideas when Mountain Lion should arrive and does anyone have direct URLs
>> for good reading about him! <Smiles>
>>
>> Carol P
>> ---- Original Message ----
>> From: "John Panarese" <jpanarese@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 8:16 PM
>> Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: is a paid screenreader for the
>> mac a option?
>>
>>> That's why I offered alternatives to iWorks. I am
>>> not disagreeing with some of his points. I am
>>> disagreeing with his conclusions and inferences.
>>>
>>> Let's not forget that Mountain Lion is coming soon.
>>> Let's wait to see what improvements will be found for
>>> VoiceOver. Also, as I indicated, strong rumors point to
>>> an update to iWorks.
>>>
>>> Take Care
>>>
>>> John Panarese
>>> jpanarese@xxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 25, 2012, at 3:10 PM, Laura <laura.mcg@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Out of interest, what in the original message is
>>>> preventable with training? I disagree with the paid
>>>> alternative to VoiceOver, but aren't most of the points
>>>> William raises valid? Tables in Pages are often
>>>> difficult, and, at the moment, getting to third party
>>>> status bar items is complicated. Pages in general seems
>>>> to me to have some reasonably big accessibility
>>>> bugs--I.E. the inability to read track changes or
>>>> comments.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not picking an argument, honestly. I'm just
>>>> curious, because the only part of the message I'd
>>>> question is the part about not being able to search for
>>>> form fields in tables on webpages. If there are
>>>> straightforward methods for achieving some of the other
>>>> things he finds difficult, I'd love to hear about them,
>>>> too.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers.
>>>>
>>>> Laura
>>>>
>>>> On 25 Jun 2012, at 19:00, VaShaun Jones wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I really think you need proper training because the
>>>>> statements you are making just are not true. As I've
>>>>> stated before there are blind people who work on
>>>>> accessibility for the Mac day in and day out and I
>>>>> promise you with all my heart proper training prevents
>>>>> piss poor performance and this is surely a matter of
>>>>> not having the proper training. I will leave this
>>>>> alone because a person convinced against their will is
>>>>> of the same opinion still. On Jun 25, 2012, at 8:08
>>>>> AM, William Windels <william.windels@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>> After working for more than 3 years with the mac ,
>>>>>> it's my personal opinionthat more basic programs are
>>>>>> accessible on windows then on the mac platform.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I find it more stable to work on the mac because of
>>>>>> the integration of the screenreader voiceover with
>>>>>> the osx.
>>>>>> The fact that the hardware is also adapted for us by
>>>>>> the trackpad and the function-keys with the spoken
>>>>>> values.
>>>>>> And of course the flexible way we can install ,
>>>>>> manage the system with voiceover support everywhere.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, we can't e.g. configure dropbox with
>>>>>> voiceover while this is possible on windows, office
>>>>>> programs like microsoft office and also iWork's
>>>>>> aren't fully accessible with lay-out tasks, in my
>>>>>> opinion there are several usability issues with the
>>>>>> browsers on the mac, some ellements of the os , like
>>>>>> Tables, on websites and on numbers and pages, are
>>>>>> very difficult to navigate e.g. you can't search for
>>>>>> edit-fields on websites while they are in a table and
>>>>>> in pages, you can't work with tables on a comfortable
>>>>>> way.
>>>>>> the icon's on the status bar, can't be reached on a
>>>>>> normal way with voiceover...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My conclusion: a paid screenreader for the mac that
>>>>>> makes program's accessible with scripts (like screen
>>>>>> readers on windows do), should be very welcome I
>>>>>> think.
>>>>>> With this kind of optional screenreader, blind users
>>>>>> should be able to use all the equivalents on the mac
>>>>>> of their windows favorites. Perhaps it should push
>>>>>> apple to make their screenreader better on a faster
>>>>>> speed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why such screenreader doesn't exist yet?
>>>>>> I see 2 reasons for this:
>>>>>> 1. Apple should not be happy with this and the
>>>>>> screenreader of apple should have more possibilities
>>>>>> to integrate with the os then the external
>>>>>> screenreader.
>>>>>> 2. Other communities don't see a reason to make a
>>>>>> screenreader for the mac while there is one built in.
>>>>>> If it should be the second reason, any people with
>>>>>> accessibility frustrations on the mac , should
>>>>>> communicate this to other companies like gw micro,
>>>>>> freedom scientific, baum...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any opinions about this meanings should be very
>>>>>> welcome.
>>>>>> kind regards,
>>>>>> William Windels>
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