[macvoiceover] Re: is a paid screenreader for the mac a option?
- From: Ian Edwards <ianedwards42@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 21:23:55 -0600
David,
Have you had success inserting a table of your own? I follow the steps through
the insert menu, set parameters for the table, but then it isn't clear what to
do. I haven't been able to find anything like an ok button.
Thanks for you patience
Ian
On 2012-06-25, at 6:00 PM, David Chittenden wrote:
> Yes, it is in with the header and footer options. It is after footer. Also, I
> was working with pages file type. Haven't yet tried with word file types.
>
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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> On 26/06/2012, at 11:11, Ian Edwards <ianedwards42@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> David,
>>
>> I tried this on a document and couldn't find the table to interact with.
>> What level are you on when you VO right to find it? Is it in with the header
>> and footer options? The level above that has images and an unlabelled button
>> for me.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ian
>>
>> On 2012-06-25, at 4:27 PM, David Chittenden wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> It took some experimentation and a discussion with my university's help
>>> desk, but I now find filling out tables in Pages to be straight-forward (at
>>> least standard tables). When on the page which has the table, stop
>>> interacting with the text edit field. Use VO right arrow to move forward a
>>> couple elements and you should find the table. Interacting with the table
>>> lets me read and edit it. My only problem now is I cannot figure out how to
>>> tell where the table actually is located on the page.
>>>
>>> Oh, and before we start praising Jaws here, last year before I left
>>> Windows, I could only work with standard tables in word with Jaws as well.
>>> Also, I never did figure out how to read track changes or comments with
>>> Jaws in word. So, for this point, they are equivalent.
>>>
>>>
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchittenden@xxxxxxxxx
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On 26/06/2012, at 7:10, Laura <laura.mcg@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Out of interest, what in the original message is preventable with
>>>> training? I disagree with the paid alternative to VoiceOver, but aren't
>>>> most of the points William raises valid? Tables in Pages are often
>>>> difficult, and, at the moment, getting to third party status bar items is
>>>> complicated. Pages in general seems to me to have some reasonably big
>>>> accessibility bugs--I.E. the inability to read track changes or comments.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not picking an argument, honestly. I'm just curious, because the only
>>>> part of the message I'd question is the part about not being able to
>>>> search for form fields in tables on webpages. If there are straightforward
>>>> methods for achieving some of the other things he finds difficult, I'd
>>>> love to hear about them, too.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers.
>>>>
>>>> Laura
>>>>
>>>> On 25 Jun 2012, at 19:00, VaShaun Jones wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I really think you need proper training because the statements you are
>>>>> making just are not true. As I've stated before there are blind people
>>>>> who work on accessibility for the Mac day in and day out and I promise
>>>>> you with all my heart proper training prevents piss poor performance and
>>>>> this is surely a matter of not having the proper training. I will leave
>>>>> this alone because a person convinced against their will is of the same
>>>>> opinion still.
>>>>> On Jun 25, 2012, at 8:08 AM, William Windels <william.windels@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>> After working for more than 3 years with the mac , it's my personal
>>>>>> opinionthat more basic programs are accessible on windows then on the
>>>>>> mac platform.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I find it more stable to work on the mac because of the integration of
>>>>>> the screenreader voiceover with the osx.
>>>>>> The fact that the hardware is also adapted for us by the trackpad and
>>>>>> the function-keys with the spoken values.
>>>>>> And of course the flexible way we can install , manage the system with
>>>>>> voiceover support everywhere.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, we can't e.g. configure dropbox with voiceover while this is
>>>>>> possible on windows, office programs like microsoft office and also
>>>>>> iWork's aren't fully accessible with lay-out tasks, in my opinion there
>>>>>> are several usability issues with the browsers on the mac, some
>>>>>> ellements of the os , like
>>>>>> Tables, on websites and on numbers and pages, are very difficult to
>>>>>> navigate e.g. you can't search for edit-fields on websites while they
>>>>>> are in a table and in pages, you can't work with tables on a comfortable
>>>>>> way.
>>>>>> the icon's on the status bar, can't be reached on a normal way with
>>>>>> voiceover...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My conclusion: a paid screenreader for the mac that makes program's
>>>>>> accessible with scripts (like screen readers on windows do), should be
>>>>>> very welcome I think.
>>>>>> With this kind of optional screenreader, blind users should be able to
>>>>>> use all the equivalents on the mac of their windows favorites. Perhaps
>>>>>> it should push apple to make their screenreader better on a faster
>>>>>> speed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why such screenreader doesn't exist yet?
>>>>>> I see 2 reasons for this:
>>>>>> 1. Apple should not be happy with this and the screenreader of apple
>>>>>> should have more possibilities to integrate with the os then the
>>>>>> external screenreader.
>>>>>> 2. Other communities don't see a reason to make a screenreader for the
>>>>>> mac while there is one built in.
>>>>>> If it should be the second reason, any people with accessibility
>>>>>> frustrations on the mac , should communicate this to other companies
>>>>>> like gw micro, freedom scientific, baum...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any opinions about this meanings should be very welcome.
>>>>>> kind regards,
>>>>>> William Windels>
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