[macvoiceover] Re: is a paid screenreader for the mac a option?
- From: Ian Edwards <ianedwards42@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 12:18:22 -0600
Good Points.
Are there training opportunities for VoicOver users equivalent to what a
sighted person can get at the Apple store using the One to One program? I
signed up for One to One, but unfortunately none of the trainers knew the ins
and outs of Voicover. They resorted to looking stuff up in the manual for me,
but there focused on how to mimick how a sighted person would use the machine.
For example, the admitedly complex series of mouse pointer confirmations and
clicks to drag and drop, with no way of knowing if the right things are
visible, rahter than the rather easy command option V to move an item.
Tha'ts just an example, no need to get into a discussion of the merits of the
drag and drop function, but it illustrates the need for Voiceover capable
trainers who are easily available.
Peace,
Ian
On 2012-06-25, at 12:00 PM, VaShaun Jones wrote:
> I really think you need proper training because the statements you are making
> just are not true. As I've stated before there are blind people who work on
> accessibility for the Mac day in and day out and I promise you with all my
> heart proper training prevents piss poor performance and this is surely a
> matter of not having the proper training. I will leave this alone because a
> person convinced against their will is of the same opinion still.
> On Jun 25, 2012, at 8:08 AM, William Windels <william.windels@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>> After working for more than 3 years with the mac , it's my personal
>> opinionthat more basic programs are accessible on windows then on the mac
>> platform.
>>
>> I find it more stable to work on the mac because of the integration of the
>> screenreader voiceover with the osx.
>> The fact that the hardware is also adapted for us by the trackpad and the
>> function-keys with the spoken values.
>> And of course the flexible way we can install , manage the system with
>> voiceover support everywhere.
>>
>> However, we can't e.g. configure dropbox with voiceover while this is
>> possible on windows, office programs like microsoft office and also iWork's
>> aren't fully accessible with lay-out tasks, in my opinion there are several
>> usability issues with the browsers on the mac, some ellements of the os ,
>> like
>> Tables, on websites and on numbers and pages, are very difficult to navigate
>> e.g. you can't search for edit-fields on websites while they are in a table
>> and in pages, you can't work with tables on a comfortable way.
>> the icon's on the status bar, can't be reached on a normal way with
>> voiceover...
>>
>> My conclusion: a paid screenreader for the mac that makes program's
>> accessible with scripts (like screen readers on windows do), should be very
>> welcome I think.
>> With this kind of optional screenreader, blind users should be able to use
>> all the equivalents on the mac of their windows favorites. Perhaps it
>> should push apple to make their screenreader better on a faster speed.
>>
>> Why such screenreader doesn't exist yet?
>> I see 2 reasons for this:
>> 1. Apple should not be happy with this and the screenreader of apple should
>> have more possibilities to integrate with the os then the external
>> screenreader.
>> 2. Other communities don't see a reason to make a screenreader for the mac
>> while there is one built in.
>> If it should be the second reason, any people with accessibility
>> frustrations on the mac , should communicate this to other companies like gw
>> micro, freedom scientific, baum...
>>
>> Any opinions about this meanings should be very welcome.
>> kind regards,
>> William Windels>
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