[macvoiceover] Re: is a paid screenreader for the mac a option?
- From: Laura <laura.mcg@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 20:24:43 +0100
Hi John
I agree with all you're saying. My questions were aimed more at VaShaun because
his message did suggest much of what was being said could be prevented with
training, and I do think it's important to distinguish between what's user
error and what's a software flaw if we're going to get the kind of VoiceOver
improvements we're asking for.
On 25 Jun 2012, at 20:16, John Panarese wrote:
> That's why I offered alternatives to iWorks. I am not disagreeing with
> some of his points. I am disagreeing with his conclusions and inferences.
>
> Let's not forget that Mountain Lion is coming soon. Let's wait to see
> what improvements will be found for VoiceOver. Also, as I indicated, strong
> rumors point to an update to iWorks.
>
> Take Care
>
> John Panarese
> jpanarese@xxxxxxxxx
>
>
>
> On Jun 25, 2012, at 3:10 PM, Laura <laura.mcg@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Out of interest, what in the original message is preventable with training?
>> I disagree with the paid alternative to VoiceOver, but aren't most of the
>> points William raises valid? Tables in Pages are often difficult, and, at
>> the moment, getting to third party status bar items is complicated. Pages in
>> general seems to me to have some reasonably big accessibility bugs--I.E. the
>> inability to read track changes or comments.
>>
>> I'm not picking an argument, honestly. I'm just curious, because the only
>> part of the message I'd question is the part about not being able to search
>> for form fields in tables on webpages. If there are straightforward methods
>> for achieving some of the other things he finds difficult, I'd love to hear
>> about them, too.
>>
>> Cheers.
>>
>> Laura
>>
>> On 25 Jun 2012, at 19:00, VaShaun Jones wrote:
>>
>>> I really think you need proper training because the statements you are
>>> making just are not true. As I've stated before there are blind people who
>>> work on accessibility for the Mac day in and day out and I promise you with
>>> all my heart proper training prevents piss poor performance and this is
>>> surely a matter of not having the proper training. I will leave this alone
>>> because a person convinced against their will is of the same opinion still.
>>> On Jun 25, 2012, at 8:08 AM, William Windels <william.windels@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>> After working for more than 3 years with the mac , it's my personal
>>>> opinionthat more basic programs are accessible on windows then on the mac
>>>> platform.
>>>>
>>>> I find it more stable to work on the mac because of the integration of the
>>>> screenreader voiceover with the osx.
>>>> The fact that the hardware is also adapted for us by the trackpad and the
>>>> function-keys with the spoken values.
>>>> And of course the flexible way we can install , manage the system with
>>>> voiceover support everywhere.
>>>>
>>>> However, we can't e.g. configure dropbox with voiceover while this is
>>>> possible on windows, office programs like microsoft office and also
>>>> iWork's aren't fully accessible with lay-out tasks, in my opinion there
>>>> are several usability issues with the browsers on the mac, some ellements
>>>> of the os , like
>>>> Tables, on websites and on numbers and pages, are very difficult to
>>>> navigate e.g. you can't search for edit-fields on websites while they are
>>>> in a table and in pages, you can't work with tables on a comfortable way.
>>>> the icon's on the status bar, can't be reached on a normal way with
>>>> voiceover...
>>>>
>>>> My conclusion: a paid screenreader for the mac that makes program's
>>>> accessible with scripts (like screen readers on windows do), should be
>>>> very welcome I think.
>>>> With this kind of optional screenreader, blind users should be able to use
>>>> all the equivalents on the mac of their windows favorites. Perhaps it
>>>> should push apple to make their screenreader better on a faster speed.
>>>>
>>>> Why such screenreader doesn't exist yet?
>>>> I see 2 reasons for this:
>>>> 1. Apple should not be happy with this and the screenreader of apple
>>>> should have more possibilities to integrate with the os then the external
>>>> screenreader.
>>>> 2. Other communities don't see a reason to make a screenreader for the mac
>>>> while there is one built in.
>>>> If it should be the second reason, any people with accessibility
>>>> frustrations on the mac , should communicate this to other companies like
>>>> gw micro, freedom scientific, baum...
>>>>
>>>> Any opinions about this meanings should be very welcome.
>>>> kind regards,
>>>> William Windels>
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