John, thanks so much for this. It's given me such an insight into Mac's capabilities and, to be honest, I'm currently rather mind boggled but greatly excited!
I realise now that I need to prepare for going to the MAC store in order that I can fully use my time/visits there in the best way possible.
Forgive some of the elementary questions in preparation for this phase:1) I know how to turn VO on but what else do I really need to get to grips with as far as VoiceOver is concerned?
2) Is a track pad or mouse going to be useful to me?3) Will Apple Care enable me to be fully supported by an Apple rep from my home? (I mean, could a rep take control of my Mac to perform any required tasks I have not mastered?)
4) I'd like to be made aware of any shortcomings (making work difficult) in VoiceOver, as it is at present. I would need to get to grips with spread sheets and convert some from Windows quite quickly. Is this going to be difficult for me?
5) Finally, Am I safe to purchase any air printer now (as I need a new one quite urgently) and expect it to work with the Mac, or should I be looking for a list of recommended printers?
I do hope you all don't mind these questions. Please feel free to take them off list with me if you wish.
Carol P - Thanking you all for support in my journey! ---- Original Message ---- From: "John Panarese" <jpanarese@xxxxxxxxx> To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 10:28 PM Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: is a paid screenreader for the mac a option?
Keith posted this link a few weeks ago. http://www.apple.com/osx/whats-new/features.html The release date is not been announced, though July is said to be the month. I read somewhere July 18, but this is NOT confirmed and rumor only. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Jun 25, 2012, at 5:01 PM, "Carol Pearson" <carol.pearson29@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Any ideas when Mountain Lion should arrive and does > anyone have direct URLs for good reading about him! > <Smiles> > > Carol P > ---- Original Message ---- > From: "John Panarese" <jpanarese@xxxxxxxxx> > To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 8:16 PM > Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: is a paid screenreader for > the > mac a option? > >> That's why I offered alternatives to iWorks. I am >> not disagreeing with some of his points. I am >> disagreeing with his conclusions and inferences. >> >> Let's not forget that Mountain Lion is coming soon. >> Let's wait to see what improvements will be found for >> VoiceOver. Also, as I indicated, strong rumors point >> to >> an update to iWorks. >> >> Take Care >> >> John Panarese >> jpanarese@xxxxxxxxx >> >> >> >> On Jun 25, 2012, at 3:10 PM, Laura >> <laura.mcg@xxxxxxxxx> >> wrote: >> >> > Out of interest, what in the original message is >> > preventable with training? I disagree with the paid >> > alternative to VoiceOver, but aren't most of the >> > points William raises valid? Tables in Pages are >> > often difficult, and, at the moment, getting to >> > third party status bar items is complicated. Pages >> > in general seems to me to have some reasonably big >> > accessibility bugs--I.E. the inability to read track >> > changes or comments. >> > >> > I'm not picking an argument, honestly. I'm just >> > curious, because the only part of the message I'd >> > question is the part about not being able to search >> > for form fields in tables on webpages. If there are >> > straightforward methods for achieving some of the >> > other things he finds difficult, I'd love to hear >> > about them, too. >> > >> > Cheers. >> > >> > Laura >> > >> > On 25 Jun 2012, at 19:00, VaShaun Jones wrote: >> > >> >> I really think you need proper training because the >> >> statements you are making just are not true. As I've >> >> stated before there are blind people who work on >> >> accessibility for the Mac day in and day out and I >> >> promise you with all my heart proper training >> >> prevents piss poor performance and this is surely a >> >> matter of not having the proper training. I will >> >> leave this alone because a person convinced against >> >> their will is of the same opinion still. On Jun 25, >> >> 2012, at 8:08 AM, William Windels >> >> <william.windels@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Hello, >> >>> After working for more than 3 years with the mac , >> >>> it's my personal opinionthat more basic programs >> >>> are accessible on windows then on the mac platform. >> >>> >> >>> I find it more stable to work on the mac because of >> >>> the integration of the screenreader voiceover with >> >>> the osx. >> >>> The fact that the hardware is also adapted for us >> >>> by the trackpad and the function-keys with the >> >>> spoken values. >> >>> And of course the flexible way we can install , >> >>> manage the system with voiceover support >> >>> everywhere. >> >>> >> >>> However, we can't e.g. configure dropbox with >> >>> voiceover while this is possible on windows, office >> >>> programs like microsoft office and also iWork's >> >>> aren't fully accessible with lay-out tasks, in my >> >>> opinion there are several usability issues with the >> >>> browsers on the mac, some ellements of the os , >> >>> like Tables, on websites and on numbers and pages, >> >>> are very difficult to navigate e.g. you can't >> >>> search for edit-fields on websites while they are >> >>> in a table and in pages, you can't work with >> >>> tables on a comfortable way. >> >>> the icon's on the status bar, can't be reached on a >> >>> normal way with voiceover... >> >>> >> >>> My conclusion: a paid screenreader for the mac that >> >>> makes program's accessible with scripts (like >> >>> screen readers on windows do), should be very >> >>> welcome I think. >> >>> With this kind of optional screenreader, blind >> >>> users should be able to use all the equivalents on >> >>> the mac of their windows favorites. Perhaps it >> >>> should push apple to make their screenreader >> >>> better on a faster speed. >> >>> >> >>> Why such screenreader doesn't exist yet? >> >>> I see 2 reasons for this: >> >>> 1. Apple should not be happy with this and the >> >>> screenreader of apple should have more >> >>> possibilities to integrate with the os then the >> >>> external screenreader. >> >>> 2. Other communities don't see a reason to make a >> >>> screenreader for the mac while there is one built >> >>> in. If it should be the second reason, any people >> >>> with accessibility frustrations on the mac , should >> >>> communicate this to other companies like gw micro, >> >>> freedom scientific, baum... >> >>> >> >>> Any opinions about this meanings should be very >> >>> welcome. >> >>> kind regards, >> >>> William Windels> >> >>>> Click on the link below to go to our homepage. >> >>>> http://www.icanworkthisthing.com >> >>>> >> >>>> Manage your subscription by using the web >> >>>> interface on the link below. >> >>>> //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >> >>>> >> >>>> Users can subscribe to this list by sending email >> >>>> to macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> >>>> with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by >> >>>> logging into the Web interface at >> >>>> //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >> >>> Click on the link below to go to our homepage. >> >>> http://www.icanworkthisthing.com >> >>> >> >>> Manage your subscription by using the web interface >> >>> on the link below. >> >>> //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >> >>> >> >>> Users can subscribe to this list by sending email >> >>> to macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> >>> with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging >> >>> into the Web >> >>> interface at >> >>> //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >> >>> >> > >> >> >> >> Click on the link below to go to our homepage. >> >> http://www.icanworkthisthing.com >> >> >> >> Manage your subscription by using the web interface >> >> on the link below. >> >> //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >> >> >> >> Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to >> >> macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> >> with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging >> >> into the Web >> >> interface at >> >> //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >> >> >> >> > >> > Click on the link below to go to our homepage. >> > http://www.icanworkthisthing.com >> > >> > Manage your subscription by using the web interface >> > on the link below. >> > //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >> > >> > Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to >> > macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> > with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging >> > into the Web >> > interface at >> > //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover > >> >> Click on the link below to go to our homepage. >> http://www.icanworkthisthing.com >> >> Manage your subscription by using the web interface on >> the link below. >> //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >> >> Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to >> macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging >> into the Web interface at >> //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >> > > Click on the link below to go to our homepage. > http://www.icanworkthisthing.com > > Manage your subscription by using the web interface on > the link below. > //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover > > Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to > macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging > into the Web> interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover
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