Mesar, OK, I think I understand now. Part of the problem is that I was using Nano and it must not support UTF-8. One problem, though, when I check the trademark symbol with Window-Eyes and NVDA they tell me it is Unicode 99 or ox99. Why is this different than the \x2132 you mentioned? Best regards from Ohio, U.S.A., Vic E-mail: vic.beckley3@xxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: liblouis-liblouisxml-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:liblouis-liblouisxml-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mesar Hameed Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 1:29 PM To: liblouis-liblouisxml@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [liblouis-liblouisxml] Re: [liblouis] r715 committed - the last batch of files converted to utf-8. Hi Vic, On Tue 03/07/12,12:16, Vic Beckley wrote: > So in my example of the trademark symbol, which shows up as a^ in UTF-8, No, it should not show up as a followed by a caret symbol, it should simply be the trademark symbol itself. open the file with notepad plus plus,. > how > would you correctly write this using the \xhhhh format? If you were writing > the table and wanted to define this symbol using UTF-8, > how would you find out what it was. Just a small correction, \xhhhh or sometimes also written as u+hhhh is called the unicode code point of the symbol. then how this is stored on the computer, is called the encoding. so utf7, utf8, utf16 and utf32 are all different computer formats for encoding unicode, and are related to how many bytes are used for the minimal representation of each codepoint. For a more detailed explenation, please have a look on wikipedia, both at "unicode", "utf8" etc. So to your question: if you use a screenreader, your screenreader probably has a shortcut key for telling you the codepoint of the character your cursor is currently standing on. For nvda and orca, in desktop layout, this is the numpad 2, pressed three quick times. for example orca is telling me trademark, 2122 If you are using a braille display and the character is not defined in your current table, you will see \x2122 If you were a sighted table writer, you probably have to go to the online unicode standard, and look in the long list of characters for the \xhhhh representation for the character you wanted. hope this helps, Mesar For a description of the software, to download it and links to project pages go to http://www.abilitiessoft.com For a description of the software, to download it and links to project pages go to http://www.abilitiessoft.com