[duxuser] Re: specific cases of non-blind-friendliness
- From: "George Bell" <info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:58:13 -0000
Impossible = A possibility it could be done.
Miracles = Doing in before Microsoft move the goal posts .
> -----Original Message-----
> From: duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: 17 March 2004 14:49
> To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [duxuser] Re: specific cases of non-blind-friendliness
>
> So, which is the impossible and which would be the miracle?
>
>
>
> Stephen Dawes <B.A., B.Sc.>
> Management Systems Analyst
> The City of Calgary | Phone: (403) 268-5527
> Information & Technology #8045 | Fax: (403) 268-6423
> PO Box 2100 Postal Station M. | Email:
> Stephen.Dawes@xxxxxxxxxx
> Calgary, Alberta, Canada. T2P 2M5 | Web: http://www.calgary.ca
>
>
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: 2004 March 17 7:45 AM
> > To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [duxuser] Re: specific cases of non-blind-friendliness
> >
> >
> > Hi Stephen,
> >
> > The impossible we can do fairly easily, miracles are still slightly
> > out of our reach!
> >
> > George.
> >
> > PS: Remember that SWIFT is NOT actually written by Duxbury, but
> > emanates from the shipyard district of Barrow-in-Furness, Cumbria,
> > England.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dawes, Stephen
> > > Sent: 17 March 2004 14:39
> > > To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [duxuser] Re: specific cases of non-blind-friendliness
> > >
> > > George,
> > > Another question that you may know about:
> > > Is the swift functionality going to be expanded through the whole
> > > office sweet? Better yet, across the entire system?
> > > Having the DBT menu in word is extremely useful and I
> would like to
> > > see it expanded to at least the entire office sweet if not
> > > throughout the entire system.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Stephen Dawes <B.A., B.Sc.>
> > > Management Systems Analyst
> > > The City of Calgary | Phone: (403) 268-5527
> > > Information & Technology #8045 | Fax: (403) 268-6423
> > > PO Box 2100 Postal Station M. | Email:
> > > Stephen.Dawes@xxxxxxxxxx
> > > Calgary, Alberta, Canada. T2P 2M5 | Web:
> http://www.calgary.ca
> > >
> > >
> > > NOTICE::
> > > This communication is intended ONLY for the use of the person or
> > > entity named above and may contain information that is
> confidential
> > > or legally privileged. If you are not the intended
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> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > [mailto:duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of George Bell
> > > > Sent: 2004 March 17 7:33 AM
> > > > To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: [duxuser] Re: specific cases of non-blind-friendliness
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi Stephen,
> > > >
> > > > I'm afraid we cannot tinker with other manufacturer's
> > compiled Help
> > > > files.
> > > >
> > > > However I am sure Duxbury would be delighted to talk to any
> > > developer
> > > > who wished to make the feature available in their Help files.
> > > >
> > > > That said, a little help from users is essential here.
> I doubt it
> > > > will even be considered unless there is a proven demand from
> > > > consumers.
> > > >
> > > > George.
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > [mailto:duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > > Sent: 17 March 2004 14:25
> > > > > To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > Subject: [duxuser] Re: specific cases of
> non-blind-friendliness
> > > > >
> > > > > George,
> > > > >
> > > > > In your reply to Catherine, you wrote:
> > > > > "
> > > > > "However, as well as a "Print Topic" button (No use to
> > > screen reader
> > > > > users) we have added an "Emboss Topic" button, so you can be
> > > > > selective about what you want in Braille."
> > > > >
> > > > > Is this feature going to be limited to the Duxbury help
> > > or will it
> > > > > be a universal help feature? I know that my vote would
> > be to have
> > > > > this feature available throughout all of the help system.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Stephen Dawes <B.A., B.Sc.>
> > > > > Management Systems Analyst
> > > > > The City of Calgary | Phone: (403) 268-5527
> > > > > Information & Technology #8045 | Fax: (403) 268-6423
> > > > > PO Box 2100 Postal Station M. | Email:
> > > > > Stephen.Dawes@xxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > Calgary, Alberta, Canada. T2P 2M5 | Web:
> > > http://www.calgary.ca
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > NOTICE::
> > > > > This communication is intended ONLY for the use of
> the person or
> > > > > entity named above and may contain information that is
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> > > > > or legally privileged. If you are not the intended
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> > > > > above or a person responsible for delivering messages or
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> > > > > that any use, distribution, or copying of this
> > > communication or any
> > > > > of the information contained in it is strictly
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> > > > > have received this communication in error, please notify us
> > > > > immediately by telephone and then destroy or delete this
> > > > > communication, or return it to us by mail if requested by us.
> > > > > The City of Calgary thanks you for your attention and
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> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > [mailto:duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> George Bell
> > > > > > Sent: 2004 March 17 4:05 AM
> > > > > > To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > Subject: [duxuser] Re: specific cases of
> > non-blind-friendliness
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Catherine,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Excellent message. Now we are getting down to brass
> > > tacks, as the
> > > > > > colloquialism goes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > 1. DBT prints all of its initial manuals and help
> > > > > > screens in file
> > > > > > > formats unique to Duxbury, (dxp). In order to get help,
> > > > > we have to
> > > > > > > already know how to use the program.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This is true, and all being well, in 10.5 we will be
> > > able to make
> > > > > > available at least Word files of the Installation,
> > > > Introduction and
> > > > > > Menus part of the Help files.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Help function itself is exactly the same as the JAWS
> > > > > Help system.
> > > > > > In fact it is generated by the same software. Even if you
> > > > > don't use
> > > > > > JAWS, the use of HTML Help is the same for thousands
> > of Windows
> > > > > > Applications.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > However, as well as a "Print Topic" button (No use to
> > > > screen reader
> > > > > > users) we have added an "Emboss Topic" button, so you can
> > > > > be selective
> > > > > > about what you want in Braille.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2. Certain options which directly effect blind users
> > > > > > are neither
> > > > > > > described nor explained. There is something called cursor
> > > > > > tracking for
> > > > > > > example, which, if disabled, causes the screen access
> > > > > > devices (speech
> > > > > > > and Braille) to virtually freeze. Even though they may be
> > > > > > doing what
> > > > > > > they are supposed to, we can't see anything.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is this specific to DBT? I'd like to investigate, so I'll
> > > > > be in touch
> > > > > > privately for specific details.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > 3. In the system menu there is no way to determine what
> > > > > > items are
> > > > > > > checked or not checked. Where other menus have x's which
> > > > > > can be turned
> > > > > > > on and off via the spacebar, the system menu has no
> > > such thing.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Can you give me one or two specific examples where in DBT
> > > > > this occurs?
> > > > > > You say, "system menu" - DBT doesn't have a menu called
> > > "system",
> > > > > > hence my confusion.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > 4. There is no complete list of Duxbury defaults so
> > > > > > people can know
> > > > > > > from where they may be starting.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I shall try to produce a list of Template defaults.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > 5. I never could find an explanation to justify my
> > > > > > editing a file in
> > > > > > > Duxbury whose keystrokes I do not know versus editing the
> > > > > same file
> > > > > > > in a word processor (be it
> > > > > > word or WordPerfect or lotus or any other.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have been advocating that DBT tries to follow as
> closely as
> > > > > > possible, at least Word's navigational keystrokes.
> > > > However, my own
> > > > > > take is that if you are more comfortable doing your main
> > > > > editing in an
> > > > > > alternative program, do so.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > 6. Sometimes, when I have translated a dxp
> > > > file, the codes are
> > > > > > > included with the translation. Nowhere is there
> information
> > > > > > as to how
> > > > > > > to create a file without the codes. The particular
> > > > example is the
> > > > > > > duxguide.dxp help screen.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The ONLY time I have seen codes appear in a translated
> > > document is
> > > > > > when someone has not entered them in the corrected way as
> > > > > codes. They
> > > > > > MUST be entered in DBT and you do need to use Ctrl +
> > > Left Square
> > > > > > bracket, type the code, then press Enter.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > However, if you come across this problem, and are certain
> > > > the codes
> > > > > > were input correctly, PLEASE, PLEASE send us the
> .dxp and the
> > > > > > translated .dxb file. You may well have found a bug
> > > > which we don't
> > > > > > know about.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'll stop now. If you are serious George, and I know
> > > > > > you are, ask us
> > > > > > > for help. We will be more than glad to give it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Oh believe me, I AM serious Catherine. They don't call me
> > > > > all sorts
> > > > > > of names at Duxbury for no reason. (Smile)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I beg support and constructive suggestions from
> other blind
> > > > > > users to
> > > > > > > the list.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Me to! But remember, specific examples, or for instances,
> > > > > are worth
> > > > > > their weight in gold. I should add that at this late
> > > stage in the
> > > > > > 10.5 development, we're only looking for problem issues
> > > > > like those you
> > > > > > have described. New features will have to be put on the
> > > > > back burner,
> > > > > > or it will be Christmas before it gets released. (And I
> > > > didn't say
> > > > > > WHICH Christmas either!!)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > For those who think that I am just too stupid to live,
> > > > > > please write to
> > > > > > > me privately, rather than disturbing these other
> > nice people.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Would I ever? I'd like to live a little longer!
> (Big smile)
> > > > > >
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