[duxuser] Re: specific cases of non-blind-friendliness
- From: "Senk, Mark J." <zia7@xxxxxxx>
- To: <duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 12:36:22 -0500
Is there any disadvantage to Megadots?
Perhaps you should stick with the more familiar software if it suits
your needs.
-----Original Message-----
From: duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Daveed Mandell
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 12:31 PM
To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxuser] Re: specific cases of non-blind-friendliness
Megadots is simply style-based; Duxgury is not/.
That is one of its greatst flaws.
Yes, both programs use
codes, but Megadots doesn't require folks to think about those codes.
Duxbury does.
That's a huge stumbling block.
Megadots' styels are much more flexible and versatile, and there are
more
of them--or at least formatting options within those styles.
And they are very easy to find and use.
On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> George,
>
> In your reply to Catherine, you wrote:
> "
> "However, as well as a "Print Topic" button (No use to screen reader
> users) we have added an "Emboss Topic" button, so you can be selective
> about what you want in Braille."
>
> Is this feature going to be limited to the Duxbury help or will it be
a
> universal help feature? I know that my vote would be to have this
> feature available throughout all of the help system.
>
>
>
> Stephen Dawes <B.A., B.Sc.>
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of George Bell
> > Sent: 2004 March 17 4:05 AM
> > To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [duxuser] Re: specific cases of non-blind-friendliness
> >
> >
> > Hi Catherine,
> >
> > Excellent message. Now we are getting down to brass tacks,
> > as the colloquialism goes.
> >
> > > 1. DBT prints all of its initial manuals and help
> > screens in file
> > > formats unique to Duxbury, (dxp). In order to get help, we have to
> > > already know how to use the program.
> >
> > This is true, and all being well, in 10.5 we will be able to
> > make available at least Word files of the Installation,
> > Introduction and Menus part of the Help files.
> >
> > The Help function itself is exactly the same as the JAWS Help
> > system. In fact it is generated by the same software. Even
> > if you don't use JAWS, the use of HTML Help is the same for
> > thousands of Windows Applications.
> >
> > However, as well as a "Print Topic" button (No use to screen
> > reader users) we have added an "Emboss Topic" button, so you
> > can be selective about what you want in Braille.
> >
> > > 2. Certain options which directly effect blind users
> > are neither
> > > described nor explained. There is something called cursor
> > tracking for
> > > example, which, if disabled, causes the screen access
> > devices (speech
> > > and Braille) to virtually freeze. Even though they may be
> > doing what
> > > they are supposed to, we can't see anything.
> >
> > Is this specific to DBT? I'd like to investigate, so I'll be
> > in touch privately for specific details.
> >
> > > 3. In the system menu there is no way to determine what
> > items are
> > > checked or not checked. Where other menus have x's which
> > can be turned
> > > on and off via the spacebar, the system menu has no such thing.
> >
> > Can you give me one or two specific examples where in DBT
> > this occurs? You say, "system menu" - DBT doesn't have a
> > menu called "system", hence my confusion.
> >
> > > 4. There is no complete list of Duxbury defaults so
> > people can know
> > > from where they may be starting.
> >
> > I shall try to produce a list of Template defaults.
> >
> > > 5. I never could find an explanation to justify my
> > editing a file in
> > > Duxbury whose keystrokes I do not know
> > > versus editing the same file in a word processor (be it
> > word or WordPerfect or lotus or any other.
> >
> > I have been advocating that DBT tries to follow as closely as
> > possible, at least Word's navigational keystrokes. However,
> > my own take is that if you are more comfortable doing your
> > main editing in an alternative program, do so.
> >
> > > 6. Sometimes, when I have translated a dxp file, the codes are
> > > included with the translation. Nowhere is there information
> > as to how
> > > to create a file without the codes. The particular example is the
> > > duxguide.dxp help screen.
> >
> > The ONLY time I have seen codes appear in a translated
> > document is when someone has not entered them in the
> > corrected way as codes. They MUST be entered in DBT and you
> > do need to use Ctrl + Left Square bracket, type the code,
> > then press Enter.
> >
> > However, if you come across this problem, and are certain the
> > codes were input correctly, PLEASE, PLEASE send us the .dxp
> > and the translated .dxb file. You may well have found a bug
> > which we don't know about.
> >
> > > I'll stop now. If you are serious George, and I know
> > you are, ask us
> > > for help. We will be more than glad to give it.
> >
> > Oh believe me, I AM serious Catherine. They don't call me
> > all sorts of names at Duxbury for no reason. (Smile)
> >
> > > I beg support and constructive suggestions from other blind
> > users to
> > > the list.
> >
> > Me to! But remember, specific examples, or for instances,
> > are worth their weight in gold. I should add that at this
> > late stage in the 10.5 development, we're only looking for
> > problem issues like those you have described. New features
> > will have to be put on the back burner, or it will be
> > Christmas before it gets released. (And I didn't say WHICH
> > Christmas either!!)
> >
> > > For those who think that I am just too stupid to live,
> > please write to
> > > me privately, rather than disturbing these other nice people.
> >
> > Would I ever? I'd like to live a little longer! (Big smile)
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