[duxuser] Re: specific cases of non-blind-friendliness
- From: "Dawes, Stephen" <Stephen.Dawes@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 07:38:46 -0700
George,
Another question that you may know about:
Is the swift functionality going to be expanded through the whole office
sweet? Better yet, across the entire system? Having the DBT menu in word
is extremely useful and I would like to see it expanded to at least the
entire office sweet if not throughout the entire system.
Stephen Dawes <B.A., B.Sc.>
Management Systems Analyst
The City of Calgary | Phone: (403) 268-5527
Information & Technology #8045 | Fax: (403) 268-6423
PO Box 2100 Postal Station M. | Email: Stephen.Dawes@xxxxxxxxxx
Calgary, Alberta, Canada. T2P 2M5 | Web: http://www.calgary.ca
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of George Bell
> Sent: 2004 March 17 7:33 AM
> To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [duxuser] Re: specific cases of non-blind-friendliness
>
>
> Hi Stephen,
>
> I'm afraid we cannot tinker with other manufacturer's
> compiled Help files.
>
> However I am sure Duxbury would be delighted to talk to any
> developer who wished to make the feature available in their
> Help files.
>
> That said, a little help from users is essential here. I
> doubt it will even be considered unless there is a proven
> demand from consumers.
>
> George.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: 17 March 2004 14:25
> > To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [duxuser] Re: specific cases of non-blind-friendliness
> >
> > George,
> >
> > In your reply to Catherine, you wrote:
> > "
> > "However, as well as a "Print Topic" button (No use to screen reader
> > users) we have added an "Emboss Topic" button, so you can be
> > selective about what you want in Braille."
> >
> > Is this feature going to be limited to the Duxbury help or
> > will it be a universal help feature? I know that my vote
> > would be to have this feature available throughout all of the
> > help system.
> >
> >
> >
> > Stephen Dawes <B.A., B.Sc.>
> > Management Systems Analyst
> > The City of Calgary | Phone: (403) 268-5527
> > Information & Technology #8045 | Fax: (403) 268-6423
> > PO Box 2100 Postal Station M. | Email:
> > Stephen.Dawes@xxxxxxxxxx
> > Calgary, Alberta, Canada. T2P 2M5 | Web: http://www.calgary.ca
> >
> >
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> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of George Bell
> > > Sent: 2004 March 17 4:05 AM
> > > To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [duxuser] Re: specific cases of non-blind-friendliness
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Catherine,
> > >
> > > Excellent message. Now we are getting down to brass tacks, as the
> > > colloquialism goes.
> > >
> > > > 1. DBT prints all of its initial manuals and help
> > > screens in file
> > > > formats unique to Duxbury, (dxp). In order to get help,
> > we have to
> > > > already know how to use the program.
> > >
> > > This is true, and all being well, in 10.5 we will be able to make
> > > available at least Word files of the Installation,
> Introduction and
> > > Menus part of the Help files.
> > >
> > > The Help function itself is exactly the same as the JAWS
> > Help system.
> > > In fact it is generated by the same software. Even if you
> > don't use
> > > JAWS, the use of HTML Help is the same for thousands of Windows
> > > Applications.
> > >
> > > However, as well as a "Print Topic" button (No use to
> screen reader
> > > users) we have added an "Emboss Topic" button, so you can
> > be selective
> > > about what you want in Braille.
> > >
> > > > 2. Certain options which directly effect blind users
> > > are neither
> > > > described nor explained. There is something called cursor
> > > tracking for
> > > > example, which, if disabled, causes the screen access
> > > devices (speech
> > > > and Braille) to virtually freeze. Even though they may be
> > > doing what
> > > > they are supposed to, we can't see anything.
> > >
> > > Is this specific to DBT? I'd like to investigate, so I'll
> > be in touch
> > > privately for specific details.
> > >
> > > > 3. In the system menu there is no way to determine what
> > > items are
> > > > checked or not checked. Where other menus have x's which
> > > can be turned
> > > > on and off via the spacebar, the system menu has no such thing.
> > >
> > > Can you give me one or two specific examples where in DBT
> > this occurs?
> > > You say, "system menu" - DBT doesn't have a menu called "system",
> > > hence my confusion.
> > >
> > > > 4. There is no complete list of Duxbury defaults so
> > > people can know
> > > > from where they may be starting.
> > >
> > > I shall try to produce a list of Template defaults.
> > >
> > > > 5. I never could find an explanation to justify my
> > > editing a file in
> > > > Duxbury whose keystrokes I do not know versus editing the
> > same file
> > > > in a word processor (be it
> > > word or WordPerfect or lotus or any other.
> > >
> > > I have been advocating that DBT tries to follow as closely as
> > > possible, at least Word's navigational keystrokes.
> However, my own
> > > take is that if you are more comfortable doing your main
> > editing in an
> > > alternative program, do so.
> > >
> > > > 6. Sometimes, when I have translated a dxp
> file, the codes are
> > > > included with the translation. Nowhere is there information
> > > as to how
> > > > to create a file without the codes. The particular
> example is the
> > > > duxguide.dxp help screen.
> > >
> > > The ONLY time I have seen codes appear in a translated document is
> > > when someone has not entered them in the corrected way as
> > codes. They
> > > MUST be entered in DBT and you do need to use Ctrl + Left Square
> > > bracket, type the code, then press Enter.
> > >
> > > However, if you come across this problem, and are certain
> the codes
> > > were input correctly, PLEASE, PLEASE send us the .dxp and the
> > > translated .dxb file. You may well have found a bug
> which we don't
> > > know about.
> > >
> > > > I'll stop now. If you are serious George, and I know
> > > you are, ask us
> > > > for help. We will be more than glad to give it.
> > >
> > > Oh believe me, I AM serious Catherine. They don't call me
> > all sorts
> > > of names at Duxbury for no reason. (Smile)
> > >
> > > > I beg support and constructive suggestions from other blind
> > > users to
> > > > the list.
> > >
> > > Me to! But remember, specific examples, or for instances,
> > are worth
> > > their weight in gold. I should add that at this late stage in the
> > > 10.5 development, we're only looking for problem issues
> > like those you
> > > have described. New features will have to be put on the
> > back burner,
> > > or it will be Christmas before it gets released. (And I
> didn't say
> > > WHICH Christmas either!!)
> > >
> > > > For those who think that I am just too stupid to live,
> > > please write to
> > > > me privately, rather than disturbing these other nice people.
> > >
> > > Would I ever? I'd like to live a little longer! (Big smile)
> > >
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