Dougie ! Do I take that as a challenge to partake in some verbal jousting? hmm,,,, I will give that some thought. ATB Shaun On 04/07/2014 23:12, doug wrote: > Hi Shaun, > Normal is normal...and you shouldn't forget it...and if you do, it > will be at your own cost...Prime ministers and Presidents are normal, > bureaucrats and civil servants are normal, those who hold political > office and offices of state, are normal, they always tell the truth, > the way it is, and there is no dissenting from that.. Like George > Washington, one of their norms is that they don't tell lies. Is that > not something which is taught to each American child at school? Now, > I don't know whether George Washington told a lie or not, and I am > prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt, and I am prepared to be > proved wrong...but, to be honest, I have never come across one single > lie that George Washington ever told, so, on the basis of assumption, > and till I am proved wrong. George Washington never told a lie. The > whole of the US constitution is based on that fact...Are you...or > anyone else for that matter, really going to challenge it...Give me > proof...if you dare. > > Like, saluting the flag. I remember, in my younger days, studying the > American Constitution and the law surrounding it. And, an important > and most famous case which went all the way to the Supreme Court, was > on the question of whether Jehovas Witnesses at their school should be > forced to salute the US Flag every morning. The Jehovas Witnesses > point of view, was that there was a higher authority than the United > States Constitution which defined how their religion carried out its > practices and theories, it was a person called God. The US Supreme > Court said, "No". And their reasoning was. " By saluting the flag > every morning, this was the symbol which re-inforced and protected the > freedoms for the likes of Jehovas Witnesses in conducting their > religion... > Discuss...? > ATB > Dougie. > P.S. Why don't I, as a citizen of the world, have the same rights as a > US citizen when it comes to having my bank account and my private > affairs and data compromised? Am I one of those lessers, who isn't > entitled to human rights from the US. > > On 04/07/14 22:32, Shaun O'Connor wrote: >> Normal?wtf is that when its about??lol >> >> Each person, each organization, each government, each country has >> their own idea of"normal" and what is considered "normal" today might >> be considered abnormal tomorrow. >> so , yeah normal is just a ward.a collection of symbols if you >> like(when written down) which means different things to different >> people and changes rather quickly ( a bit like the British weather) >> On 04/07/2014 22:24, doug wrote: >>> HI Andrew, >>> Tx for taking the time to reply. I have a lot to learn on these >>> things being a newbie to security and computers and such like. I >>> have heard of Wireshark, but did wonder what it was all about, and I >>> did visit the website and I did think about downloading it...but >>> then I couldn't think of anyone with whom I could exchange >>> information which had to be so secure and secret...or even >>> confidential;;but after reading n Cryptome at url; >>> http://cryptome.org/2014/07/nsa-tor-de.htm >>> >>> I thought the better of it. Apparently, according to the >>> report...and I don't know how "true" it is or how much credibility >>> it has, amongst those whom I respect in the security industry. I >>> have looked at "Tails" and at "TOR" and am most annoyed to find out >>> that the NSA considers me as an "extremist" because i am one of >>> those people who would like to protect their privacy. Now, I have >>> never downloaded TOR or Tails, because i have yet to find a need for >>> it, but I don't see why my curiosity should be rewarded by being >>> considered to be extreme. it makes me wonder about the NSA and its >>> philosophy is all about, in the sense that does it, as an >>> organisation, and as a group of individuals working in concert, >>> consider itself as the "norm"... And if it does, hopefully someone >>> can explain to me what this norm actually is. Norms and extremities >>> are sociological and statistical terms which refer to what kind of >>> behaviour lies inside and outside that of which is considered >>> acceptable as the normal. Now, the problem for me, is that I have >>> never met a "normal" person in my life, and would certainly accept >>> that I do have extremes of behaviour, my little obsessions, urges, >>> drives, instincts and learned behaviour, dominate my life, of that I >>> have no doubt. And though I consider myself as perfectly normal, i >>> do understand that others can see me as perverse and extreme...c'est >>> la vie. >>> ATB >>> Dougie >>> >>> On 04/07/14 17:02, Andrew Hornback wrote: >>>> Doug, >>>> >>>> Changing/adding a password and changing the name of the network is >>>> more than 90+% of the population can be bothered to do these days >>>> -which is what makes them so susceptible... >>>> >>>> NAT and firewall are a good start - I'm somewhat on the paranoid >>>> side (being a life-long IT type guy) and I'm aspiring to implement >>>> a system similar to the DISA's HBSS (Host Based Security Solution) >>>> that gets deployed to all ADP assets in the DoD... >>>> >>>> The way that my setup works is that the hub (a relatively dumb >>>> device, by networking standards) is inserted between the ISP and >>>> the router - since the ISP delivers my broadband connection as a >>>> pure Ethernet drop, I can use the hub to connect another machine >>>> in, before the router level, and "sniff" all of the traffic going >>>> back and forth. Using a product like Wireshark (free software, >>>> highly recommended, been using it for years), I can look at all of >>>> the traffic that's leaving my network as well as what's coming in >>>> from the ISP. See where data is coming from, where it's going... >>>> full transparency of all of the data going back and forth as well >>>> as the content. By dumping all of this over to a second machine >>>> that acts as a simple recording and analysis system, I can track >>>> hacking attempts, attacks, etc. and report them as needed. >>>> >>>> --- A >>>> "InfoSec - it pays to be paranoid..." >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 7:38 AM, doug >>>> <douglasrankine2001@xxxxxxxxxxx >>>> <mailto:douglasrankine2001@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Andrew, >>>> Tx for the information...I had a look at the url you provided> >>>> I didn't really understand all this techy stuff and it is nice >>>> to have it explained in a language I can understand. I have, >>>> on a number of occasions looked at my router, but I must say, >>>> apart from securing it with a password and changing the name of >>>> the network, I am frightened to touch any of the settings in >>>> the router in case I screw things up, so I leave it at the >>>> default position. >>>> >>>> I have a wireless router and a home network, and a number of >>>> devices such as computers, tablets, mobile phones and a printer >>>> and a back up disk which are connected to it on occasion. I >>>> understand that the home network and the one connected to the >>>> ISP are separated by a NAT or firewall which is supposed to >>>> protect my home network from outside intrusion. >>>> >>>> What would be the benefit of putting in traffic analysis >>>> software and what kind of software would you recommend, and >>>> where would I put it...in my computer or on the phone line...In >>>> this area we have poor broadband width anyway so downloads and >>>> uploads are very slow. >>>> ATB >>>> Dougie. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 03/07/14 19:34, Andrew Hornback wrote: >>>>> Ryan, >>>>> >>>>> Good points, but I think this might explain part of my tactic - >>>>> http://www.asante.com/support/routerguide/faqs/hardwared.html >>>>> >>>>> Understanding the differences between hubs, switches and >>>>> routers is paramount to starting to understand TCP/IP... >>>>> >>>>> --- A >>>> >>> >> >> -- >> *_PRIVACY IS A BASIC RIGHT - NOT A CONCESSION _* > -- *_PRIVACY IS A BASIC RIGHT - NOT A CONCESSION _*