[cryptome] Re: Is This a Hoax: Backdoor to Wireless Router

  • From: Shaun O'Connor <capricorn8159@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2014 00:18:46 +0100

I'll pass on that one Dougie. I have plenty to sift through already as
it is.

On 04/07/2014 23:59, Neal Lamb wrote:
> I have this book "The Death and Rebirth of the Seneca" by Anthony F.C.
> Wallace if you need help with
> the bulldog, Shaun.............
> lol
> On Friday, July 4, 2014 5:56 PM, Shaun O'Connor
> <capricorn8159@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Dougie !
> Do I take that as a challenge to partake in  some verbal jousting?
> hmm,,,, I will give that some thought.
> Shaun
> On 04/07/2014 23:12, doug wrote:
> Hi Shaun,
> Normal is normal...and you shouldn't forget it...and if you do, it
> will be at your own cost...Prime ministers and Presidents are normal,
> bureaucrats and civil servants are normal, those who hold political
> office and offices of state, are normal, they always tell the truth,
> the way it is, and there is no dissenting from that..  Like George
> Washington, one of their norms is that they don't tell lies.  Is that
> not something which is taught to each American child at school?  Now,
> I don't know whether George Washington told a lie or not, and I am
> prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt, and I am prepared to be
> proved wrong...but, to be honest, I have never come across one single
> lie that George Washington ever told, so, on the basis of assumption,
> and till I am proved wrong.  George Washington never told a lie.  The
> whole of the US constitution is based on that fact...Are you...or
> anyone else for that matter, really going to challenge it...Give me
> proof...if you dare.
> Like, saluting the flag.  I remember, in my younger days, studying the
> American Constitution and the law surrounding it.  And, an important
> and most famous case which went all the way to the Supreme Court, was
> on the question of whether Jehovas Witnesses at their school should be
> forced to salute the US Flag every morning.  The Jehovas Witnesses
> point of view, was that there was a higher authority than the United
> States Constitution which defined how their religion carried out its
> practices and theories, it was a person called God.  The US Supreme
> Court said, "No".  And their reasoning was. " By saluting the flag
> every morning, this was the symbol which re-inforced and protected the
> freedoms for the likes of Jehovas Witnesses  in conducting their
> religion...
> Discuss...?
> Dougie.
> P.S. Why don't I, as a citizen of the world, have the same rights as a
> US citizen when it comes to having my bank account and my private
> affairs and data compromised?  Am I one of those lessers, who isn't
> entitled to human rights from the US.
> On 04/07/14 22:32, Shaun O'Connor wrote:
> Normal?wtf is that when its about??lol
> Each person, each organization, each government, each country has
> their own idea of"normal" and what is considered "normal" today might
> be considered  abnormal tomorrow.
> so , yeah normal is just a ward.a collection of symbols if you
> like(when written down) which means different things to different
> people and changes rather quickly ( a bit like the British weather)
> On 04/07/2014 22:24, doug wrote:
> HI Andrew,
> Tx for taking the time to reply.  I have a lot to learn on these
> things being a newbie to security and computers and such like. I have
> heard of Wireshark, but did wonder what it was all about, and I did
> visit the website and I did think about downloading it...but then I
> couldn't think of anyone with whom I could exchange information which
> had to be so secure and secret...or even confidential;;but after
> reading n Cryptome at url;
> http://cryptome.org/2014/07/nsa-tor-de.htm
> I thought the better of it.  Apparently, according to the report...and
> I don't know how "true" it is or how much credibility it has, amongst
> those whom I respect in the security industry.  I have looked at
> "Tails" and at "TOR" and am most annoyed to find out that the NSA
> considers me as an "extremist" because i am one of those people who
> would like to protect their privacy.  Now, I have never downloaded TOR
> or Tails, because i have yet to find a need for it, but I don't see
> why my curiosity should be rewarded by being  considered to be
> extreme.  it makes me wonder about the NSA and its philosophy is all
> about,  in the sense that does it, as an organisation, and as a group
> of individuals working in concert, consider itself as the "norm"...
> And if it does, hopefully someone can explain to me what this norm
> actually is.  Norms and extremities are sociological and statistical
> terms which refer to what kind of behaviour lies inside and outside
> that of which is considered acceptable as the normal. Now, the problem
> for me, is that I have never met a "normal" person in my life, and
> would certainly accept that I do have extremes of behaviour, my little
> obsessions, urges, drives, instincts and learned behaviour, dominate
> my life, of that I have no doubt.  And though I consider myself as 
> perfectly normal, i do understand that others can see me as perverse
> and extreme...c'est la vie.
> Dougie
> On 04/07/14 17:02, Andrew Hornback wrote:
>> Doug,
>> Changing/adding a password and changing the name of the network is
>> more than 90+% of the population can be bothered to do these days
>> -which is what makes them so susceptible... 
>> NAT and firewall are a good start - I'm somewhat on the paranoid side
>> (being a life-long IT type guy) and I'm aspiring to implement a
>> system similar to the DISA's HBSS (Host Based Security Solution) that
>> gets deployed to all ADP assets in the DoD...
>> The way that my setup works is that the hub (a relatively dumb
>> device, by networking standards) is inserted between the ISP and the
>> router - since the ISP delivers my broadband connection as a pure
>> Ethernet drop, I can use the hub to connect another machine in,
>> before the router level, and "sniff" all of the traffic going back
>> and forth.  Using a product like Wireshark (free software, highly
>> recommended, been using it for years), I can look at all of the
>> traffic that's leaving my network as well as what's coming in from
>> the ISP.  See where data is coming from, where it's going... full
>> transparency of all of the data going back and forth as well as the
>> content.  By dumping all of this over to a second machine that acts
>> as a simple recording and analysis system, I can track hacking
>> attempts, attacks, etc. and report them as needed.
>> --- A
>> "InfoSec - it pays to be paranoid..."
>> On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 7:38 AM, doug <douglasrankine2001@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:douglasrankine2001@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>     Hi Andrew,
>>     Tx for the information...I had a look at the url you provided> I
>>     didn't really understand all this techy stuff and it is nice to
>>     have it explained in a language I can understand.  I have, on a
>>     number of occasions looked at my router, but I must say, apart
>>     from securing it with a password and changing the name of the
>>     network, I am frightened to touch any of the settings in the
>>     router in case I screw things up, so I leave it at the default
>>     position.
>>     I have a wireless router and a home network, and a number of
>>     devices such as computers, tablets, mobile phones and a printer
>>     and a back up disk which are connected to it on occasion.  I
>>     understand that the home network and the one connected to the ISP
>>     are separated by a NAT or firewall which is supposed to protect
>>     my home network from outside intrusion. 
>>     What would be the benefit of putting in traffic analysis software
>>     and what kind of software would you recommend, and where would I
>>     put it...in my computer or on the phone line...In this area we
>>     have poor broadband width anyway so downloads and uploads are
>>     very slow.
>>     ATB
>>     Dougie.
>>     On 03/07/14 19:34, Andrew Hornback wrote:
>>>     Ryan,
>>>     Good points, but I think this might explain part of my tactic -
>>>     http://www.asante.com/support/routerguide/faqs/hardwared.html
>>>     Understanding the differences between hubs, switches and routers
>>>     is paramount to starting to understand TCP/IP...
>>>     --- A
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