[bksvol-discuss] Re: Questions about brackets, Braille translation, and multiple spaces between words

  • From: "Jake Brownell" <jabrown@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 13:19:14 -0600

Pratik et al,

According to previous discussions on this list. 

BookShare tools DO, I repeat DO reduce multiple spaces to a single space. I 
believe it's a biproduct of the XML conversion, just as the removal of tabs, no 
one thought to specially code them into place.

Multiple spaces reduce to a single space
Tabs are removed and replaced with nothing.

In the case of the latter you may be wise to run a find/replace with tab to 
space before upload.

With the former, I'm not sure if the extra spaces are reduced before or after 
the stripper so it may or it may not matter that there are different numbers of 
spaces in the header/footer.

Jake
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Pratik Patel 
  To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 11:36 AM
  Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Questions about brackets, Braille translation, 
and multiple spaces between words


  Maria et al,

  I am not aware of bracket problems with braille translations.  As far as I've 
seen, Bookshare tools are able to convert brackets.  If this is a recent 
phenomenon, then, as usual, I would appreciate specific book titles where 
people know brackets are supposed to exist.  I will be happy to do comparisons.

  As far as spacing goes, Bookshare tools do not--I repeat, do not--remove 
extra spaces.  As a self-flagellating person, I would love to be proven wrong.  
So, specific examples would be very helpful.  You just need to be careful of 
headers and/org footers.

  Pratik


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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Maria Kristic
  Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 11:56 AM
  To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Questions about brackets, Braille translation, and 
multiple spaces between words


  Hi all,

  In reading some of the recent messages on-list, I, as someone new, have a few 
questions.

    1.. First, about brackets. Someone mentioned that brackets didn't appear in 
Braille copies of books. As there is a Grade 2 Braille equivalent for a 
bracket, albeit two cells long (dot 6, dots 2-3-5-6 for an opening bracket and 
dots 2-3-5-6, dot 3 for a closing one), I'm wondering, what does the Braille 
translation software used by Bookshare do to them? I would think that, since 
there is a Braille character for them, they are translated correctly, but 
apparently, that's not the case? What's done to them, then? Are they converted 
in to words, as in the words "left bracket" or "right bracket"? I know that 
Duxbury will convert symbols with no Grade 2 equivalents to words rather than 
leaving them in Computer Braille, and I can't even begin to tell you how much 
that irritates me (for instance, a \ symbol would appear in a BRF file as 
literally the word "backslash" (without the quotes)), but I just checked with 
it, and even Duxbury translates them correctly, which is making me wonder? If 
no one knows for sure, can someone please point me to a book which they know 
should, in theory, contain brackets, so that I can take a look to see for 
myself? I ask because I used them in Girl in the Shadows, so I want to know 
whether anything out of the ordinary happens with them; this way, I can decide 
whether I should be worried about this issue or not. 
    2.. Second, out of curiosity, does anyone happen to know which Braille 
translation software Bookshare uses? If something strange is indeed happening 
to brackets, I'm wondering which translator exhibits this odd behavior? 
    3.. Finally, I'm wondering about the issue someone mentioned about words 
with multiple spaces between them. I thought I'd read on this list before that 
the software which converts books to BRF and DAISY converts all multiple spaces 
in to one (someone was told, therefore, not to indent paragraphs), so I'm 
confused. If the software converts all multiple, consecutive spaces to one, how 
can there still be words with multiple spaces between them? Does this stripping 
of spaces take place only in specific places, such as the beginning/end of a 
page, the beginning of a sentence, or somewhere else? 
  Thanks much to anyone who can clarify this for me, and hope all of you have a 
happy holiday season!

  Regards,
  Maria
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