[bksvol-discuss] Re: Questions about brackets, Braille translation, and multiple spaces between words

  • From: "Shelley L. Rhodes" <juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 23:09:03 -0500

They can use the services but they have to um, fix it a bit first, smile.

They would use the daisy forms and then run them through a translator.

Contracted braille is the publishing standard.


Shelley L. Rhodes B.S. Ed, CTVI
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "devi ramaseshan" <deviramaseshan@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 12:44 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Questions about brackets, Braille translation, 
and multiple spaces between words


Pratik
  Thanks. But there are some readers who read only grade 1. Then they may 
not be able to use  bookshare services I guess.devi

Pratik Patel <pratikp1@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
      Devi,

  All bookshare conversion is done in grade 2.  This is an automated 
process.

  Pratik



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Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 12:32 PM
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Questions about brackets, Braille translation, 
and multiple spaces between words



  Hi all
  About the conversion from print book to braille I have another question. 
For conversion what type of braille(grade1 or grade2) is used?What about 
childrens' books?Thanks devi


  Maria Kristic <maria6289@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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  In reading some of the recent messages on-list, I, as someone new, have a 
few questions.

   First, about brackets. Someone mentioned that brackets didn't appear in 
Braille copies of books. As there is a Grade 2 Braille equivalent for a 
bracket, albeit two cells long (dot 6, dots 2-3-5-6 for an opening bracket 
and dots 2-3-5-6, dot 3 for a closing one), I'm wondering, what does the 
Braille translation software used by Bookshare do to them? I would think 
that, since there is a Braille character for them, they are translated 
correctly, but apparently, that's not the case? What's done to them, then? 
Are they converted in to words, as in the words "left bracket" or "right 
bracket"? I know that Duxbury will convert symbols with no Grade 2 
equivalents to words rather than leaving them in Computer Braille, and I 
can't even begin to tell you how much that irritates me (for instance, a \ 
symbol would appear in a BRF file as literally the word "backslash" (without 
the quotes)), but I just checked with it, and even Duxbury translates them 
correctly, which is making me
 wonder? If no one knows for sure, can someone please point me to a book 
which they know should, in theory, contain brackets, so that I can take a 
look to see for myself? I ask because I used them in Girl in the Shadows, so 
I want to know whether anything out of the ordinary happens with them; this 
way, I can decide whether I should be worried about this issue or not.
   Second, out of curiosity, does anyone happen to know which Braille 
translation software Bookshare uses? If something strange is indeed 
happening to brackets, I'm wondering which translator exhibits this odd 
behavior?
   Finally, I'm wondering about the issue someone mentioned about words with 
multiple spaces between them. I thought I'd read on this list before that 
the software which converts books to BRF and DAISY converts all multiple 
spaces in to one (someone was told, therefore, not to indent paragraphs), so 
I'm confused. If the software converts all multiple, consecutive spaces to 
one, how can there still be words with multiple spaces between them? Does 
this stripping of spaces take place only in specific places, such as the 
beginning/end of a page, the beginning of a sentence, or somewhere else?
  Thanks much to anyone who can clarify this for me, and hope all of you 
have a happy holiday season!
    Regards,
Maria
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