[bksvol-discuss] Re: Questions about brackets, Braille translation, and multiple spaces between words

  • From: devi ramaseshan <deviramaseshan@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 14:35:20 -0800 (PST)

  dear all
  In my experience I have seen in Nemeth braille we have separate codes for 
parenthesis, square brackets and  curly brackets. In literary braille we have 
only types: parenthesis and brackets.The curly bracket is not there in literary 
braille I guess.
  For the same  print symbols the literary codes and braille codes are 
  Bookshare uses literary braille I guess.So as Jared has suggested it is safe 
to use parenthesis only. devi
  Jared Wright <wright.jaredm@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
      st1\:* {   BEHAVIOR: url(#default#ieooui)  }              The issue of 
brackets is, well, a bit convolluted to be sure. I'd say for guaranteed success 
in all circumstances, use parentheses. They're close enough and are far more 
consistent from translator to translator. While some applications utilize them 
in grade two settings, the Braille symbols you cited for brackets are actually 
part of Nemith code, which isn't applicable for most of Bookshare's material. I 
don't have a definitive answer, but I can suggest that you fall back on 
parentheses, as they're more consistent all around and, from my vantage point, 
don't have any offsetting disadvantages.
    ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Maria Kristic 
  To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 11:55
  Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Questions about brackets, Braille translation, and 
multiple spaces between words

    Hi all,
  In reading some of the recent messages on-list, I, as someone new, have a few 
   First, about brackets. Someone mentioned that brackets didn?t appear in 
Braille copies of books. As there is a Grade 2 Braille equivalent for a 
bracket, albeit two cells long (dot 6, dots 2-3-5-6 for an opening bracket and 
dots 2-3-5-6, dot 3 for a closing one), I?m wondering, what does the Braille 
translation software used by Bookshare do to them? I would think that, since 
there is a Braille character for them, they are translated correctly, but 
apparently, that?s not the case? What?s done to them, then? Are they converted 
in to words, as in the words ?left bracket? or ?right bracket?? I know that 
Duxbury will convert symbols with no Grade 2 equivalents to words rather than 
leaving them in Computer Braille, and I can?t even begin to tell you how much 
that irritates me (for instance, a \ symbol would appear in a BRF file as 
literally the word ?backslash? (without the quotes)), but I just checked with 
it, and even Duxbury translates them correctly, which is making me
 wonder? If no one knows for sure, can someone please point me to a book which 
they know should, in theory, contain brackets, so that I can take a look to see 
for myself? I ask because I used them in Girl in the Shadows, so I want to know 
whether anything out of the ordinary happens with them; this way, I can decide 
whether I should be worried about this issue or not.   
   Second, out of curiosity, does anyone happen to know which Braille 
translation software Bookshare uses? If something strange is indeed happening 
to brackets, I?m wondering which translator exhibits this odd behavior?   
   Finally, I?m wondering about the issue someone mentioned about words with 
multiple spaces between them. I thought I?d read on this list before that the 
software which converts books to BRF and DAISY converts all multiple spaces in 
to one (someone was told, therefore, not to indent paragraphs), so I?m 
confused. If the software converts all multiple, consecutive spaces to one, how 
can there still be words with multiple spaces between them? Does this stripping 
of spaces take place only in specific places, such as the beginning/end of a 
page, the beginning of a sentence, or somewhere else? 
  Thanks much to anyone who can clarify this for me, and hope all of you have a 
happy holiday season!
Maria Kristic
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