I dear all In my experience I have seen in Nemeth braille we have separate codes for parenthesis, square brackets and curly brackets. In literary braille we have only types: parenthesis and brackets.The curly bracket is not there in literary braille I guess. For the same print symbols the literary codes and braille codes are different. Bookshare uses literary braille I guess.So as Jared has suggested it is safe to use parenthesis only. devi Jared Wright <wright.jaredm@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: st1\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#ieooui) } The issue of brackets is, well, a bit convolluted to be sure. I'd say for guaranteed success in all circumstances, use parentheses. They're close enough and are far more consistent from translator to translator. While some applications utilize them in grade two settings, the Braille symbols you cited for brackets are actually part of Nemith code, which isn't applicable for most of Bookshare's material. I don't have a definitive answer, but I can suggest that you fall back on parentheses, as they're more consistent all around and, from my vantage point, don't have any offsetting disadvantages. Jared ----- Original Message ----- From: Maria Kristic To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 11:55 Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Questions about brackets, Braille translation, and multiple spaces between words Hi all, In reading some of the recent messages on-list, I, as someone new, have a few questions. First, about brackets. Someone mentioned that brackets didn?t appear in Braille copies of books. As there is a Grade 2 Braille equivalent for a bracket, albeit two cells long (dot 6, dots 2-3-5-6 for an opening bracket and dots 2-3-5-6, dot 3 for a closing one), I?m wondering, what does the Braille translation software used by Bookshare do to them? I would think that, since there is a Braille character for them, they are translated correctly, but apparently, that?s not the case? What?s done to them, then? Are they converted in to words, as in the words ?left bracket? or ?right bracket?? I know that Duxbury will convert symbols with no Grade 2 equivalents to words rather than leaving them in Computer Braille, and I can?t even begin to tell you how much that irritates me (for instance, a \ symbol would appear in a BRF file as literally the word ?backslash? (without the quotes)), but I just checked with it, and even Duxbury translates them correctly, which is making me wonder? If no one knows for sure, can someone please point me to a book which they know should, in theory, contain brackets, so that I can take a look to see for myself? I ask because I used them in Girl in the Shadows, so I want to know whether anything out of the ordinary happens with them; this way, I can decide whether I should be worried about this issue or not. Second, out of curiosity, does anyone happen to know which Braille translation software Bookshare uses? If something strange is indeed happening to brackets, I?m wondering which translator exhibits this odd behavior? Finally, I?m wondering about the issue someone mentioned about words with multiple spaces between them. I thought I?d read on this list before that the software which converts books to BRF and DAISY converts all multiple spaces in to one (someone was told, therefore, not to indent paragraphs), so I?m confused. If the software converts all multiple, consecutive spaces to one, how can there still be words with multiple spaces between them? Does this stripping of spaces take place only in specific places, such as the beginning/end of a page, the beginning of a sentence, or somewhere else? Thanks much to anyone who can clarify this for me, and hope all of you have a happy holiday season! Regards, Maria ________________________________________ Maria Kristic Skype: MariaKristic AIM: MCKristic E-Mail and MSN: maria6289@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Google Talk: Maria.Kristic@xxxxxxxxx Yahoo Messenger: mariakristic@xxxxxxxxx Devi ramaseshan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com