(J) ... I would never dispute that "definition" is a family. Nor, "theory." And I did not claim (or mean to!) that epistemology had described itself accurately. I also no more feel that I have shown prejudice for TJB than you have shown allegiance for it. What I thought I was saying was straight forward: Theory-of-knowledge courses generally proceed from the misguided question of "what is knowledge?" This leads students into thinking that this question is a puzzle in need of a conjured answer. The standard answer is TJB. And the way TJB is vetted is by example and counter-example. And by the time Gettier is pulled out, students are led to believe there is some crisis that philosophers need to solve. The answer to the puzzle is never to propound the initial question. Rather, it is to show students that the question causes the problems. And that "knowledge" merely is what it does in anthropology (the language culture), and that the only thing one can ever do here is become especially keen with regard to its conditions of assertability across its various senses. And if students are trained like this, they would be more concerned with Moore claiming to know he has a hand than with Gettier. Why? Because, then, they could see that doubt-removing grammar is being taken out of its ordinary and useful context under warrant of language confusion. Gettier does not need an answer; it needs "therapy." Now, what I think you are doing is defending TJB by saying its just a safe witticism of some sort. It doesn't count as a "theory" (or law, or property-list). It doesn't have its mojo. I have no objection to that. But I was originally asked what would be an example of a theory Wittgenstein opposed, and I said TJB, which, in your vernacular, probably could have been said "TJB with glory." Let's try it this way. What would be a true theory of knowledge that was not scientific? Can you think of one? Consider this question in the light of the following Wittgensteinian ideas: a scientific theory is one that requires information. Philosophy only re-arranges what is already known. It doesn't produce new information. If we were truly to present theories of knowledge, no one would object to them (because they would either be confirmed or not in science). In other words, there would be no PHILOSOPHICAL reason to object to a theory of knowledge, because philosophy has no business in it. One last point. On whether W agreed with TJB would really be a function of what would be taken to disagree with it in your eyes (and what signficance either has). If asked whether knowledge was "TJB" by a student, I can imagine Wittgenstein offering any of the following replies: (a) depends upon what that means; (b) not if that is a theory; (c) "knowledge" expresses doubt-removing grammar; (d) look and see; (e) only in a sense; (f) it sounds like a false problem; (g) what's the dictionary say?; (h) are you not an English speaker?; and (g) it doesn't matter what it means so long as conditions of assertability are understood and free from knots. He would NEVER have said, "no, because Gettier refuted it. We're still trying to solve that one." So I'm unclear as to what W is claiming to support here. If its just the TV Guide, I guess I'm in agreement. Regards and thanks. Dr. Sean Wilson, Esq. Assistant Professor Wright State University Personal Website: http://seanwilson.org SSRN papers: http://ssrn.com/author=596860 Discussion Group: http://seanwilson.org/wittgenstein.discussion.html ========================================= Need Something? Check here: http://ludwig.squarespace.com/wittrslinks/