Phil Enns: > It seems to me that the issue is not whether poor people should get > benefits > not available to others but whether government is the best agency for > providing those benefits. In the past in the West and in many parts of > the > world today, religious institutions have provided these services. The very, very, very, very,very last thing I want is to have to go to a religious institution for anything ever. So scrap the idea of religious institutions servicing the public needs -- even if they're willing to do if for free out of their love for humanity, even if they're more effective or efficient at doing it. I don't want charity and I don't want no Jesus, no Moses, no Buddha, no Mohammed, no Ramalamadingdong poisoning the stew of community responsibility. > If we > don't like religion, what could replace religious institutions and be more > effective than government in putting the weakest parts of our society in > position to contribute? This is what government is fucking for! Do you Libertarians really think you created yourselves? (not directed at Phil) There's not one iota of you that didn't come out of the communities that raised you and nourished you and educated you and dumped on you and diddled you and praised you and cheated you and treasured you and screwed you to the wall. You're not an individual -- jesus, where did you get that idea? -- did you really believe that rich fuck who wants you to pay his way? Honey, you're owned lock, stock and barrel by all of human history and especially everyone you've ever encountered. Existence ain't free, there are dues, Junior, and the more you benefit from human society, the steeper your dues. So shut up and pay up, as we say in the South. Mike Geary Sole Socialist of Memphis ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html