>>So how does one find that item that is interesting enough with just the right feel?<< Rather than trying to find an item that is interesting, make the item interesting. By holding it in your hand you can ooh and ahh over it and develop curiosity about the hot dog. If the dog is not responsive to this, instead take a hot dog and ooh and ahh over it. That's the way we would train the show dogs to freeze with ears up anticipating the goodie. What you are doing with the verbal ooh's and ahh's is developing a cue that says "be curious about this thing". At first the thing may simply be the food. Later the thing will be an object and you will click and reward the behavior that was developed by the cue. Seem backwards? Warmly, Dolores www.zenhorsemanship.com