For Laveau, I think she was very strongly punished in her previous home for touching things. She has horrible house manners; getting into trash, taking food from shelves in the sink etc. She doesn't do this when working. She has learned, in her previous home, that getting caught is the bad thing not that doing these behaviors are not desirable. Because I am deafblind and haven't quite figured out a way to deal with this situation; I am managing her very strictly in the house for now and if that is what I have to do for the rest of her life I can live with that and she can to. This carries over to retrieve because I think she associates the *don't touch* that she got punished for in the house with anything I offer her. She will do a play retrieve and will fetch the object but will not bring it to hand; she will drop on the floor; lot of good that does me huh? lol She will touch the object but as far as I can tell she is not mouthing it. I don't have a bunch of sighted people around who want to come watch me work with the dog so a sighted training buddy is not an option for me. Also with my hearing loss it is very probable that I'll miss it when they tell me that she's mouthing the object anyway. I can usually tell the difference between nose and mouthing though so it's just a matter of getting her to mouth the darned thing. I thought about putting a little cream cheese on the object to encourage mouthing, but I don't know. These are just my thoughts for now. Rox and the "Kitchen Bitches" Bristol (retired), Mill'E SD, and Laveau SDIT " A teacher can only lead you to the threshold of your own mind." -- Kahlil Gibran pawpower@xxxxxxx windows messenger: Brisomania@xxxxxxxxxxx AIM: brissysgirl